SVB vs. Chinakov updates

[SUPERSTAR]

Ruslan's a better player.

 

[one stroke]

Uh oh. You used the "i" word. Expect a notice from Wilson....

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Shane's a great player, and yes his big weapon is his break. Shane's downfall
was that he agreed with there conditions for breaking outside the box.
To me thats like a boxer telling Mike Tyson '' Ok I'll fight you but your
not aloud to throw your left hook''
Every champ has something '' special'' or outside the norm for the majority.
For Shane its his Break.
Look at Pete Sampras serve, even as he got older, he was still feared cause
of his serve. All the great ones had something.

Yes but get him off grass and tarmack and he could be beat
Get Shane out of his comfort zone and you can flip a coin on how he will perform ,
Let's also remember when they went to break box rules it took the break away from with big breaks from the rail ,

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[Poolshootindon]

In so many ways this post is sad!

With all we know about racking and breaking Tom foolery. To glorify his mastery of the racking arts clumps him together with dechaine and dueul ! But, at least dueul was a pioneer! Shane practiced and followed the teachings of Charlie Bond in his book!

I admire his heart and determination. But, that could be said of many top players. Neutralize the racking Tom foolery and the players must rely totally on "talent "

My hats off to the Russian! All those hours working on kicking jumping and safety play finally paid off!

Kd


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Kd. I agree with you. Congrats to Chinakov. He spent countless hours working on his jumping and safety play.

Here is the difference. Chinakov was allowed to use what he practiced hours to master.

Shane was not allowed to use what he practiced hours and hours to master.
His outstanding break. I am not sure it would have made a difference anyway, but let him use 'his break'.

Don

 

[Shawn Armstrong]

Kd. I agree with you. Congrats to Chinakov. He spent countless hours working on his jumping and safety play.

Here is the difference. Chinakov was allowed to use what he practiced hours to master.

Shane was not allowed to use what he practiced hours and hours to master.
His outstanding break. I am not sure it would have made a difference anyway, but let him use 'his break'.

Don

I thought you were done with the thread? Let it go. You'll feel better,

 

[spartan]

No one cares if Shane loses
It's is groupies making excuses that our ridiculous that frustrates people
It's sad it makes people not appreciate his unbelievable game
He is works class no doubt
But he has a little dog in him
And also without the break he goes from world class to very good
Fundamentally he's behind the Europeans and Asians
But that comes from growing up on the bar box

Neutralize the racking Tom foolery and the players must rely totally on "talent "

My hats off to the Russian! All those hours working on kicking jumping and safety play finally paid off!

Kd


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Yes but get him off grass and tarmack and he could be beat
Get Shane out of his comfort zone and you can flip a coin on how he will perform ,
Let's also remember when they went to break box rules it took the break away from with big breaks from the rail ,

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++1
You guys speak words of wisdom :grin-square:
Like chess, it is not good enough to be strong in opening game, must also be strong in mid game and end game

 

[spartan]

Let it Go

 

[scsuxci]

In so many ways this post is sad!

With all we know about racking and breaking Tom foolery. To glorify his mastery of the racking arts clumps him together with dechaine and dueul ! But, at least dueul was a pioneer! Shane practiced and followed the teachings of Charlie Bond in his book!

I admire his heart and determination. But, that could be said of many top players. Neutralize the racking Tom foolery and the players must rely totally on "talent "

My hats off to the Russian! All those hours working on kicking jumping and safety play finally paid off!

Kd


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Not sure what was sad about my comment. I'm not taking away from his loss
but my point was his ''break'' is his best weapon that was not allowed. Granted
the Russian played very well and deserved the win but you must admit, Shane
has had many great matches that were very close and most observers have
said the difference was his break.
This situation is exactly the same but reversed , he wasn't allowed to use
his main attribute.

 

[Kid Dynomite]

Not sure what was sad about my comment. I'm not taking away from his loss
but my point was his ''break'' is his best weapon that was not allowed. Granted
the Russian played very well and deserved the win but you must admit, Shane
has had many great matches that were very close and most observers have
said the difference was his break.
This situation is exactly the same but reversed , he wasn't allowed to use
his main attribute.

The break in my opinion was meant to be random. Meaning no advantage or disadvantage to either player!

But, keep your opinion that the break is supposed to be manipulated.


Kd

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[scsuxci]

The break in my opinion was meant to be random. Meaning no advantage or disadvantage to either player!

But, keep your opinion that the break is supposed to be manipulated.


Kd

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I'm really not getting your logic? I've never mentioned once that the break is
suppose to be manipulated. Pool is about consistency period !
Players practice for hundreds of hours to achieve constant consistency.
From a robotic stroke to controlling the break, these guys put in there time
to figure out the pool puzzle.
You might consider this manipulation but I consider it hours and hours of hard
work and time to get to the level these guys are on.
Both players should of been able to break from were they choose.
Do you think Shane would of won if he could of broke were he normally would?
If your answer is yes, then that is exactly my point.
If your answer is no, then the rule would not have mattered anyways.

 

[Kid Dynomite]

I'm really not getting your logic? I've never mentioned once that the break is
suppose to be manipulated. Pool is about consistency period !
Players practice for hundreds of hours to achieve constant consistency.
From a robotic stroke to controlling the break, these guys put in there time
to figure out the pool puzzle.
You might consider this manipulation but I consider it hours and hours of hard
work and time to get to the level these guys are on.
Both players should of been able to break from were they choose.
Do you think Shane would of won if he could of broke were he normally would?
If your answer is yes, then that is exactly my point.
If your answer is no, then the rule would not have mattered anyways.

Originally the head and foot spot were for the cue ball and head ball. Any deviations is not the games original design.

Breaking from the rail and break box are new and for tv rules. Over many years the game has been altered.

You think optimization of the break is part of the game and I disagree! Break is method of achieving randomness! Your pool is not random but a dog and pony show!

Kd



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[scsuxci]

Originally the head and foot spot were for the cue ball and head ball. Any deviations is not the games original design.

Breaking from the rail and break box are new and for tv rules. Over many years the game has been altered.

You think optimization of the break is part of the game and I disagree! Break is method of achieving randomness! Your pool is not random but a dog and pony show!

Kd



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So if I'm getting your logic, every part of pool is about consistency but your first
shot of the game '' the break'' is just some random ''blah'' shot for randomness,
but the rest of the game is about control? Makes 0% sense.

 

[DaddysVisa]

I liken the break in pool to the drive on golf. It is more than just a shot to start the hole. It is a power shot that requires control and consistency, and even some strategy as well. It is undoubtedly a skill. I personally don't like pattern racking, manipulating the rack etc, but to state that the break is merely a way to randomize the game is a gross over-simplification.

 

[Keith Jawahir]

I personally find it amusing. People have all kinds of shit to talk when Shane is outbreaking someone but are crybabies when the roles are reversed. There's been so much fangirling and flip-flopping in this thread, it's pathetic. I'm so glad I'm not a sports fan.