table leveling and covering

blud

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The following methods are some that i used when i was equipment and set up person, for the pro tour. I still use these methods for Mizerak's senior tour, when on the road.

To Don Purdy,

Sounds like your having trouble keeping the table level.

I would first check out the floor, and if it's wood make sure there is no give to it when jumping up and down. [good way to check it]. Next, i would either brace up from under the floor if possible. If not use some 3/4 plywood under each leg to spread out the load, or use a thin steel plate[1/4" is fine]. This will help stablelize the table. Either the wood or steel can be painted to match whatever, in your game room.

Don't make these too big, as your feet will bump them each time you get up to a shot. [ this will raise the table by the thickness of your plywood, or plate].

Settling the base to the floor!

If you have carpet, [this will not hurt the floor or carpet girls]..... Take your table 'frame" the base, and wrap a garbage bag up around each leg, to asure no water seaps up into the leg or stains the carpet with brass or metal flanges.. Take some pretty hot tap water, and pour a small amount around each leg on to the carpet. It let the carpet become limp, will allow the tables legs 'drop" and settle right away.

Ladies, this, WILL NOT HURT YOUR FLOOR OR CARPET. When you spill something on the carpet, first thing you do is use water to clean up. Try hot water next time, girls.......

This method is not nessesary with a wooden or tile floor without carpet.

Floors of tile, you can use a small piece of plywood to sit the table legs on, so it won't shift when your playing, or place some duck tape on the bottom os them.

Now the table base is settled in. Level it for the first time without the slates, best you can. Check your top main beams and cross beams, for being flush to one another, with a long straight edge or long level. Sometimes they are not flush on top as meant to be. You can loosen the bolts and adjust these up or down. After these are trued, then go back and retighten the bolts again. Once in a while with these mass produced tables, they require a little dressing up, and or sanding.

Fine adjustments of slates!

Most slates come with a board gluded to the back side. check these and see if they are flush at all corners. If not, you can lightly sand them with an electric belt sander. Go easy and don't over do it. Do just a little and stop and lay your straight edge or long level across them.

Don, you mentioned some shimm stock you have. This is fine for shimms. I perfer to do it another way.

You can purchase a small 2"X2" alumium angle at "Ace", or your local harware store. Cut you at least 4 peices of this angle about 2" long per slate. [12 total]. Next drill and tap one hole in one of the legs,[angle flange] I used a 1/4" X 20 thread tap. Now drill two holes in the opposing leg. These two holes will allow you to bolt them to the inside of your beams, with some small 1?4" lag bolts..

Place them in the 4 corners of each beam and sub beams, in way of where your slate will lay. Place a small round piece of flat steel [ or a penny] on top of the bolt so it will not allow the bolt to penatrate the wood on the back side of the slate.

Now replace your slates and level, with the bolts in the angle. This make it easy to keep level. These are a little trouble to do, [couple of hours for the average Joe], but in the long run you have no wooded shimms to move with moister. These are solid and will not move with moister, from season to season. This method works very well. Now grout and block sand the two joints.

Now clean your slate and lay down the cloth. Get the cloth paralle to the edge, and with enough over hang to staple. next, get a chalk line with white or blus chalk, and snap a line down the middle of the cloth, next snap 3 lines side ways, one from each end about 6 inches from the end and the last one from side pocket to side pocket. Now we have designed a grid, that runs paralelle to the weave in the cloth, in both directions.

Stretching cloth is not hard. While at the store, purchase some flanged vice grips. This will help hold on to the cloth while stretching.

Stapling cloth!

Most mechanics, will staple all the way across one end of the table and then go to the other end and stretch it. What happens, is the first end was never stretched.

What i do is simple, and a no brainer. On the first end staple about 6" wide, and go to the other end and do about 8 to 10" and go back to the other end and repeat untill it's all completed on both ends, to the inside corners, maintaining the cross ways chalk lines as straight as possible. takes a little time but well worth it.

. Now start the sides. At the side pockets, work one side about 6" and and go to the other side and continue this as you did with the ends, working towards the ends, and then start the other two. Stretch your corners as normal. [always put an extra cloth strip in the corners and side pockets first and then stretch the bed cloth over them. This will keep the balls from tearing the cloth when they bounce of the back of the pocket, and hit the double covered slate.

By using this method, the cloth is now stretched the way it was woven. It should not have "hot" spots or soft spots where the balls slow down. All the cloth should be the same speed.
You can now vacuum the chalk line up.

Rails!
Again, most mechanics will just place the rails and bolt them down. WRONG.

Put the rails on top and install the bolts only finger tight. now take your straight edge and place it along the side rail cushions. Tighten this side a little tighter than finger tight.

Now with a framing square, or a jig that is square, square the end on that same side. then go to the other end of your straight rails, and square that corner, now go to the other long side and get it straight, and tighten all bolts down. All 4 corners now should be square to one another.......

Now when you cross bank, or go two rails, or use the diamond system, the ball should be coming off each rail as intended.

For stretching cloth and squaring rails, most mechanices I have seen, over the years, do not use these method. They may not be aware of these methods or just want to hurry and go to the next job. This is really the best way and only takes about 30 extra minutes.


Stains, on your table or carpeted floor.
Ladies, if a drink of some sort gets spilled on the table or carpet, try this method.
Whipe it up with a dry cloth , then take some warm water and pour on the spot, and lightly rub it in. . Mop this up with a clean cloth and repaert 3 times, this should remove the fresh spilled drink. Place a fan on the wet spot for about 20 minutes, and your ready to rock and roll.

Hope this helps,
god bless
blud
 
Now replace your slates and level, with the bolts in the angle. This make it easy to keep level. These are a little trouble to do, [couple of hours for the average Joe], but in the long run you have no wooded shimms to move with moister. These are solid and will not move with moister, from season to season. This method works very well. Now grout and block sand the two joints.........................................LMAO....now I am convienced you are cenial! Good luck they with that prozac Blud..........I will leave you alone, Didn't realize you were one of those guys that sanded the slates............LMAO! I feel bad about messing with ya know! When I got to that paragraph above I had to stop reading.
 
This post was in no way directed to PTM, period....
I do not have a clue as to how his table work is, or is not.

Perhaps PTM, could post his methods, and explain to us how it's done by him. Might learn a thing or too.

This post about tables, was meant to help not only my friend Don but, all my friends.

Sorry for any misunderstanding, my friends, Maybe, I didn't make it clear enough. Block sand the grouted joints, "lightly" until flush. Sorry for that.

You see, I only use Durhams Rock Hard wood putty for the joints. Don't like using wax and other stuff. Been doing this for 40 plus years, never hurt any of the hundreds of tables i have been involved with and or my personal table slates.

AZ member, Don Purdy, was a guest here at my place this last spring,[ come back any time] he played on my table and made a commemt on how well it played. [ Don, can fire-um straight back, hell of a banker long rail].

Along with, Buddy Hall, Danny Di Liberto,Mike Seigel, Mike Massey, C J Whiley , Belinda Compos Calhoun, Nat green and many others. They all liked it..

I have set up many tables this way over the years, and have had many of pro's play on them with not the first complaint. Never, ever had any complaints. Must of done it the right way. It works.

To whom ever,
You do it your way, and I will do it mine.

If it ain't broke, don't fix it. Doing it this way for 40 plus years.

This works for me and my guys, the pro's.......Ladies and gents.

By the way folks, Don't do drugs....Yes, I am 63 years old today, cenil, no I don't think so........

blud
 
Well 63 years old.........32 years old here and if you really want to come here......to make good on that threat...........email me. I will give you directions. And keep sanding those joints down. Like they say....hard to teach an OLD DOG new tricks. And there he goes name dropping again........lmao you are to much blud wad. I am surprised you didn't tell us how much money you had or something else.
 
First off happy b-day Blud.

another great post. how long would it take using this method to set up a room for a pro tournament? we use pretty much the same method in our pool halls here.

pooltablemechanic....why don't you give it a rest. your replys to Blud are getting old and boring.

Kent Mc.
 
Hi Kent, it's been a while. Nice to hear from you, sir.

First off how many tables are you thinking about? If we were installing 12 to 16 tables we were up for about 30 hours. The jigs or angles can be pre-made in place. Only differance in time was about 20 minutes extra pre-table stretching the cloth.

The beauty part of this is, you can snap double lines 2" apart and have [2] or more table guys stretching cloth and all tables will play close to the same, if they maintain the same stretch.[inches apart with the lines]. Another words if the first table is stretched to 2 -3/4" , each table guy stretches his table the same.


To the AZ members,
I do my best to teach and help people from my heart and pass on what I have learned the last 40 years of experience. Then, it never fails, someone has got to knock me for posting what I am trying to pass on.

Show me a better way to do it. I am not above learning. Someone should post information we all can maybe learn something from, instead of just posting complaints.

Thanks Kent
god bless
Blud
 
See the funny part old man.....this all started because of you shitty attitude.......and saying I was wrong because IT WASN"T YOUR WAY. So I was wrong..........about what? I have no clue because your buzz wore off and you forgot what it was you were mad about in the first place. You taking the holier than thou side now is a joke. Is that last reply of yours an appoligy for you arogant attitude you had towards me.....or just a complete reversal of everything that started this whole deal? Because the whole problem was that I said something you disagreed with....and blew up at me!
 
PTM,

Take a look at all the posts and you should notice a trend. Everyone is starting to turn against you and they're jumping on Blud's side. You may have been slighted originally but now you're becoming the villain in most peoples' eyes because you just won't turn loose of this thing. Let it go!

Don Purdy asked you a question about some shims he has quite a while back. You were so busy blasting Blud, you didn't respond to him.
 
Thanks Blud, I appriciate it. I appriciate PTM not responding, cause I didn't have to listen to his negative freaking mouth. I am not going to get into it with you PTM. I will tell you one thing though, Blud could have stayed home and worked for his dad building ships and would be a millionaire today, but instead, he fell in love with the game and followed his heart. That took balls my man, why don't you get some and find your calling.
Don P.
 
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