Table size and numbers

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We are buying several Diamond smart tables and lights. We currently have 6 bar boxes and two Diamond Professionals, 9 footers. We have enough space for 12 - nines and 10 smart tables. We have bought our building and are buying oure tables and lights now.

Question is what number would we need to be able to run tournaments of 65-85 players on the 9 footers. We were thinking 8 or would 10 be ideal.

We are in Boiling Springs, SC. We are opening in April. Having a small problem with zoning. Yes, we know a new room opened here with 8-8 foot tables.

Thanks CMB
 
What game? What would the race be on each side? How long of a time frame do you want the tournament to complete in? What type of money would you expect the tournament to be for (the larger the purse, the slower the matches). Would you be expecting the tournaments to be full of pro and short-stop level players? Or would you also be expecting large numbers of B/C players?

Way too many variables to take into account to give a general answer...

Brian
 
Also, are you thinking tournaments like the GSBT? Or your own inhouse tournaments? If it's inhouse, you could always do things like "losers bracket plays on 7' tables"...
 
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We are buying several Diamond smart tables and lights. We currently have 6 bar boxes and two Diamond Professionals, 9 footers. We have enough space for 12 - nines and 10 smart tables. We have bought our building and are buying oure tables and lights now.

Question is what number would we need to be able to run tournaments of 65-85 players on the 9 footers. We were thinking 8 or would 10 be ideal.

We are in Boiling Springs, SC. We are opening in April. Having a small problem with zoning. Yes, we know a new room opened here with 8-8 foot tables.

Thanks CMB

For a field that big I suggest that you actually use start times for the matches. Yes, the tournament will take longer but the players will appreciate it tremendously. Be fair but firm on the tardiness and what happens if they are late to a match. There is NO good excuse for being late. Make sure you cover it at the players' meeting. I like using the loss of one game for 5 minutes late, loss of three total games for 10 minutes late and loss of match for 15 minutes late. Each player gets one 5 minute "bathroom" break during the match

You can adjust your match length by adjusting your race. If the matches last one hour or less, a 64 bracket can be completed in 20 hours on 8 tables. That means you could start the tournament Friday nite at 7p with the last matches called at 11p. Saturday, start @ 11a and go 10 hours, beyond that the play gets pretty sloppy. That leaves 6 hours for Sunday.

Add approximately 9 to 11 hours for every 32 more entrants.

I suggest using 8 because that fits in with brackets better. Brackets are divisible by 8. 10 tables throws the timing and brackets a little crazy but certainly is doable but you would only save 1 to 2 hours. Better to leave them open for practice or matching up or if a match goes beyond the one hour frame. Matches have a way of slowing down and exceeding the hour allotted toward the last 12 to 16 players. Be ready with a timer on some of them.

If you had 12 tables, that would save 2 to 3 hours. The time would be saved on the front end of the tournament as you can get through the early rounds faster. Possible to do that and then go down to 8 tables after 3 rounds out on the bracket.

Most races to 7 with average players playing 9-ball fit in that one hour frame. For 8-ball, the race should be to 5. 10-ball, race to 6. One pocket, anything goes.

To figure it out for yourself, just get a 64 or 128 bracket. Then put in the byes. If you want to figure 96 players, that equals 32 byes. Time it out. If you want to start @ 7p and use 12 tables, go down the bracket and put in the times. After putting down 12, 7p times, then put in 12, 8p times and continue through the entire bracket.

Depending on when you want to start and finish the tournament, you will probably have to adjust the length of daily play or the length of the matches.

Good luck on your endeavor.

Hope I wasn't too incoherent. LOL :)
 
so how many tables total are you looking to put in? 10 smart, 12 nines, 6 current bar boxes and, 2 more current nines? so total 30? if so u might think about raising or reducing the amount of smart or nines you will get since you will have enough for the non tournament crowd.

Also how much square footage do you have?
 
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We wish to have Shannon's tournaments on a regular tour stop. We want to become part of the Carolina tour. A and AA players will be welcome. We will add $1500 to the pot for our monthly tournament. We hope for at least 65 - 100 players. Will hire a tournament director for our events.

We have decided on 12 smart tables for our league players and 12 Nine foot Diamonds.

Thanks for your replies and all suggestions will be considered. Just got back from Grady's and we will have one room with bleacher seating for 150 people.
 
Thanks Jay,
This is just the kind of information we are needing. Our local tournaments are running around 35-45 players, A and AA players welcome. We will monitor and adjust as needed.
 
It musta been coherent!

Thanks Jay,
This is just the kind of information we are needing. Our local tournaments are running around 35-45 players, A and AA players welcome. We will monitor and adjust as needed.

You are very welcome. This forum is great at sharing info.

Somebody, somewhere said that I am a wealth of information. Me, I'm still looking for the wealth.
 
We wish to have Shannon's tournaments on a regular tour stop. We want to become part of the Carolina tour. A and AA players will be welcome. We will add $1500 to the pot for our monthly tournament. We hope for at least 65 - 100 players. Will hire a tournament director for our events.

We have decided on 12 smart tables for our league players and 12 Nine foot Diamonds.

Thanks for your replies and all suggestions will be considered. Just got back from Grady's and we will have one room with bleacher seating for 150 people.

Having played in GSBT tournaments before I think you'll need more tables...

IIRC AA players play to 11, A to 9, and B to 7. So, that for starters is going to make it longer matches. The last GSBT event I attended play didn't start until around 2pm on the Saturday as sign ups were till noon and by the the calcutta took for ever! And they didn't do scheduled start times.

Your best bet would be to talk to Shannon and ask him what he expects for number of tables as he's done this enough times that he knows! :)

Brian
 
Zoning issue needs to be solved FIRST. I am in Laurens and have a very small place but these church going people dont understand pool. All they know is bars and bars mean TROUBLE. Just my thought before you purchase more tables.
 
Yah careful with churches. I have seen many alcohol and recreational establishments get shut down even after they open due to zoning regulations.
 
If you need tables, I have 6 new Olhausen Champion Pro's available in South Carolina. I have 3 eight footers and 3 nine footers. If you have interest, let me know. 843-222-2750
 
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