Tables and Cloth Compared

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gtaylor

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Hi All !!,


I am the owner of cosmos billiards in Scranton, Pa. I have 16, 9ft Diamond Pros with gold cloth and 1 7 footer for the bar players. While i have always known that the diamonds bank differently then the Olhausens or Brunswicks, i was amazed to see just how much different they do play tonight when i visited another room.

First the Particulars:

I use Super Aramith Pro's with red circle cue ball, Simonis 860 Gold stretched to only 1.5 inches instead of the normal 2.5 inches it should be stretched. K-55 cushions common on all diamonds, and Vacuum the tables either everday or every other.

This room used Bruns. Cent balls, the 6-dot measle ball, and standard green 860 simonis that was normally stretched. The tables also were just vacuumed before i got there for my match.

Second things i noticed:

1.) The olhausen i played on the cue ball would typically, on a hard draw shot seem to spin in place for a split second before grabbing and flying back. This inability to grab was evident on the bed as well as the rails.

2.) The rails SUPER FAST and the bed very slow.

3.) Hard spin banks for one pocket or safeties in 9 ball seemed to skit 4-6 inches when coming off the rail on the bank. this skid allowed for HUGE amounts of english to be applied to the second rail if it made it that far and completely change the second outgoing angle after the second rail contact point. The law of opposite rails was multiplied CONSIDERABLY.

4.) In corillary, english applied to the rails seemed to skid up the rail more than mine do IF the rail was not compressed very far. This made soft spin shots to get back to the center spots on head and foot rails tough. It was easier to just cross the table twice to reach position instead of using english to just come off the rail. Now if your shot enabled you to compress the rail a bit you could get ANYWHERE on the table with english.

so from these interested observations what do you guys think the difference is.... especially with the cue ball sitting in place before drawing back or the spin on the rail issues?

Thanks

Greg
 
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gtaylor said:
Hi All !!,


I am the owner of cosmos billiards in Scranton, Pa. I have 16, 9ft Diamond Pros with gold cloth and 1 7 footer for the bar players. While i have always known that the diamonds bank differently then the Olhausens or Brunswicks, i was amazed to see just how much different they do play tonight when i visited another room.

First the Particulars:

I use Super Aramith Pro's with red circle cue ball, Simonis 860 Gold stretched to only 1.5 inches instead of the normal 2.5 inches it should be stretched. K-55 cushions common on all diamonds, and Vacuum the tables either everday or every other.

This room used Bruns. Cent balls, the 6-dot measle ball, and standard green 860 simonis that was normally stretched. The tables also were just vacuumed before i got there for my match.

Second things i noticed:

1.) The olhausen i played on the cue ball would typically, on a hard draw shot seem to spin in place for a split second before grabbing and flying back. This inability to grab was evident on the bed as well as the rails.

2.) The rails SUPER FAST and the bed very slow.

3.) Hard spin banks for one pocket or safeties in 9 ball seemed to skit 4-6 inches when coming off the rail on the bank. this skid allowed for HUGE amounts of english to be applied to the second rail if it made it that far and completely change the second outgoing angle after the second rail contact point. The law of opposite rails was multiplied CONSIDERABLY.

4.) In corillary, english applied to the rails seemed to skid up the rail more than mine do IF the rail was not compressed very far. This made soft spin shots to get back to the center spots on head and foot rails tough. It was easier to just cross the table twice to reach position instead of using english to just come off the rail. Now if your shot enabled you to compress the rail a bit you could get ANYWHERE on the table with english.

so from these interested observations what do you guys think the difference is.... especially with the cue ball sitting in place before drawing back or the spin on the rail issues?

Thanks

Greg
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The reaction on the draw shot is the reaction your supposed to get,on good equipment and clean equipment.
 
I have played alot on the newer Olhausen Pro tables, and personally I do no tlike them, they are very inconsistant... Like you mentioned above, the rails are super fast and the bed seems to slow the ball down... Really strange
 
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i have an olhausen pro table with 860. while it seem to play great and consistent IMO when the cloth is brand new, it slowly plays worse and worse as the cloth loosens up. i also noticed that the cloth seems to have a very slick surface almost like a film when new that wears off rather quick.
 
BPG24 said:
I have played alot on the newer Olhausen Pro tables, and personally I do no tlike them, they are very inconsistant... Like you mentioned above, the rails are super fast and the bed seems to slow the ball down... Really strange
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I useualy play on one of the cheaper Olhausen 9' tables without the accu fast rails, it does play differnt than a Brunswick or Diamond professional for sure.. The pockets are also very unforgiving, If you shoot a ball straight into the flat side of the rail in the pocket it will bobble. If your bank is perfect with speed, it will go in, and pop back out... Crazy..


These cheaper Olhausen tables is like a home version and not worth the money IMHO.. The pocket Drop is terrible for the size of the pockets, whitch I think the rails may be cut wrong, Something is not right, but after playing on these tables the Brunswicks and even the Diamond Professionals are a breeze to play on, you do have to adjust for the banks, considerably however.


SPINDOKTOR
 
I have run into what you are talking about a few times, and more often then not the room was using some bizzarre wax in the ball machine!!!:rolleyes: One room owner TOLD me he did it on purpose using carnuba wax so his "players" could get more draw...HAHA....don't teach em how to build a stroke or anything :D

Back to the topic. Diamonds, my favorite table today play very different to the GC's which are my all time fav. With all the combos of who covered the table/did they know what they were doing/what type of cloth/ maintenance etc. 2 identical tables can be set up VERY differenlty IMO

Lastly, I have noticed tables playing funny with the Championship blue cloth?

Gerry
 
SPINDOKTOR said:
I useualy play on one of the cheaper Olhausen 9' tables without the accu fast rails, it does play differnt than a Brunswick or Diamond professional for sure.. The pockets are also very unforgiving, If you shoot a ball straight into the flat side of the rail in the pocket it will bobble. If your bank is perfect with speed, it will go in, and pop back out... Crazy..


These cheaper Olhausen tables is like a home version and not worth the money IMHO.. The pocket Drop is terrible for the size of the pockets, whitch I think the rails may be cut wrong, Something is not right, but after playing on these tables the Brunswicks and even the Diamond Professionals are a breeze to play on, you do have to adjust for the banks, considerably however.


SPINDOKTOR
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i have only shot on Olhausens most expesive commercial table 2005 models... the one with the squared pockets... Like a Diamond Procut.....

I am not saying that its built bad... I just hate the way it plays... compared to the Diamonds and GC's ... I definately don't think the pockets play as tough on them as the do on the Diamond Pro... Although they are similar...
 
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I play on these tables all the time and have no problems.I shoot at the Marietta Billiard club [johnny/Kim's place] These tables make you a better player cause you have to put the ball in the pocket,you can't crap the ball in.I here complaints from many lesser players about the table's for this reason.I have one of these table's in my home and the table is triple shimmed.If you play on these tables you will learn how to put the ball in the pocket,fine tune your aiming and stroke , to get the correct speed.chances are if you are bobbling the ball [jawing] you are hitting the ball to hard and you aim is off a little.I think changing the pocket facings can make the pockets more forgiving,you will have to ask a mechanic.I over heard Mark Gregory talking about this once on a triple shimmed diamond table.As far as the rebounds off the rails with English,I have run into this and would say that the humidity is a big part of this.Were the table is placed in the room compared to the ac vents and prox.of the windows.The amount of use the table get so on? My advice is to pay attention to what the ball is doing and adjust your stroke.Play the cue to paths of less obstruction until you can read the table.:D
 
Personally i think it was a wax of some form. i have played on 760 and Gornio cloth that is LIGHTNING QUICK and didn't have the skid issues like last night. It was interesting thats for sure. but once a player gets used to it, i don't think it mattered much.


Great ideas though guys


Thanks
 
LILJOHN30 said:
I play on these tables all the time and have no problems.I shoot at the Marietta Billiard club [johnny/Kim's place] These tables make you a better player cause you have to put the ball in the pocket,you can't crap the ball in.I here complaints from many lesser players about the table's for this reason.I have one of these table's in my home and the table is triple shimmed.If you play on these tables you will learn how to put the ball in the pocket,fine tune your aiming and stroke , to get the correct speed.chances are if you are bobbling the ball [jawing] you are hitting the ball to hard and you aim is off a little.I think changing the pocket facings can make the pockets more forgiving,you will have to ask a mechanic.I over heard Mark Gregory talking about this once on a triple shimmed diamond table.As far as the rebounds off the rails with English,I have run into this and would say that the humidity is a big part of this.Were the table is placed in the room compared to the ac vents and prox.of the windows.The amount of use the table get so on? My advice is to pay attention to what the ball is doing and adjust your stroke.Play the cue to paths of less obstruction until you can read the table.:D
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Look at this diagram, where the three is, is at the edge of the slate on these Olhousens Im playing on,


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Even though the pocket is big, its not forgining because the slate extends further than normal, Id rather have super tight pockets and a clean drop.

Personaly I have no trouble playing on these tables, I run out all the time, bank, kick you name it, that doesnt mean I have to like them.


SPINDOKTOR
 
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