Taking the Air out of the Predator Air

John Barton

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Well as some of you know I am pretty much for jumping and jump cues under the current rules.

I finally got to test out a Predator Air jump cue this weekend.

A little background for those that don't know me: I brought out the Bunjee Jumper in 1998/99 and spent five years doing demos, shows, and clinics around the country. During that time I had a standing challenge that if anyone could show me another cue (that wasn't a direct copy of the Bunjee) which provided the same or better performance for the same or less money - then I would give them $500. But noone was ever able to claim that money.

So naturally I am still interested in all types of jump cues that come out and specifically when they are claimed to be the greatest.

Now, the Predator Air is out there, and I don't own Bunjee anymore. I do however still sell jump cues through Sterling Gaming and specifically the Fury Jump/Break so I have a stake in whether or not there is a better product on the market than what I sell.

If a product is better then I get to work to improve ours or I get to work to show ours is better.

Which then brings me to the P-Air review.

This cue has the look, it has the hype - but does it have the performance?

No.

It jumps great. Because it's super lightweight it does exactly what using just a shaft does which is to get the ball airborne quickly. But also like just a shaft you sacrifice control because there is not enough weight pushing against the cueball.

The person doing the jumping then has to work harder to control the cue to add enough force to achieve a decent level of accuracy.

Using a "traditional" (can I say that about a product that is ten years old) jump cue which weighs about 9oz, the player has the balance and feel of a normal cue when he/she is in the jacked up position. This allows the player to swing comfortably and confidently. And this allows for english to be put on the cueball with the same degree of confidence as when shooting a level shot.

With the Predator Air and all ultralights like it (yes, as hard as it is to believe Predator was not the first in this area either), the player is forced to compensate for the lack of mass by hitting the ball harder than they need to. On top of that the cue deflects crazily with an ultralight cue making it very difficult to control the cueball. For long jump shots this cue is almost completely unsuitable. Now I know that this probably goes against whatever Predator has to say about the subject. But my personal experience with dozens of brands of jump cues and well over a hundred thousand jump shots proves what I am saying.

I have nothing against Predator bringing out a jump cue.

But I do take issue with statements like these;

"The world?s most accurate jump cue."

"Thanks to advanced front-end technology and the unparalleled flexibility of its extra handle, Predator?s first ever jump cue has the height to dazzle and the accuracy to destroy. And when you?re wielding it, so do you."

from the Predator website.

The claim is untrue. And others before Predator offered extra handles and extensions to lengthen the cue. Bunjee has the Bunjee Extension which adds five inches to the handle. The Stealth Air Jumper (seems awfully convenient that Predator chose "Air" when Ned Morris has used it for many years before) has used the double jointed handle since it's inception. The Fury Break Jump uses the same joint at the jump portion so that the bottom handle can be used to provide an extended jump cue.

And the funny thing is that Predator will make the cue perform worse for an additional $25. That's right, for $25 they will install a leather tip which will decrease the performance. Although in fairness, as an ultralight, the cue might be more comfortable with a leather tip instead of a phenolic one.

After all, the entire reason for having phenolic tips on jump cues is to allow them to have the right weight to control the cueball AND provide the jumpability that just a shaft provides.

And with today's crop of good jump cues out there that are properly weighted and balanced there is no need to believe the hype surrounding the Predator Air if you are looking for the ultimate in performance and price. The P-Air can take it's place among the pack but it is clearly not the leader.

And I have $500 to prove it.

John Barton
 
I got one. Best jump cue ever made. That includes Bunjee, Stealth, or anyone else. It is the leader. Sales will prove it.

Keep your $500, John, because you'll never pay up if you're proven wrong. I've used them all, and this one is the cat's ass.
 
every review I have read from players, has been nothing but great...

This maybe the first time Shawn and I have agreed.. LOL

Too many people love the Predator Air for this to change anything...
 
Shawn Armstrong said:
I got one. Best jump cue ever made. That includes Bunjee, Stealth, or anyone else. It is the leader. Sales will prove it.

Keep your $500, John, because you'll never pay up if you're proven wrong. I've used them all, and this one is the cat's ass.

All you or anyone else needs to do is show up at Valley Forge in March and take the challenge.

Bring whatever jump cue you want and if you can beat or equal the jump cues I have then you can pick up the $500 cash that will be posted.

I am glad you like it. That's great for you. My opinion differs and I believe that my experience speaks for itself. However I do sell another brand which also adds bias to my review. So I hope this thread sparks some to do their own testing, specifically on the aspects I mentioned.

Being able to successfully get a ball airborne is just one part of a good jump cue. Being able to control the cueball with it is the other part. If you don't have both then what is it worth?

If you are right then it's great for consumers and producers. Soon everyone will be making cues just like the P-Air and for less. But if you are wrong then people will be getting less performance for more money.

So I encourage everyone to try it before you buy it and to accumulate some good experience with different brands before believing the hype. Then if you feel it's really better you should buy it.
 
Love the fine print.

Larry Nevel can jump a ball from a credit card width with an X-jumper. We're talking about the general public, John, not you.

I have used every jump cue on the market. I've even made them. I picked up the Air on account of wanting to test it to see if it was just that good. It ended up in my bag. I can jump a ball that is less than 1" from the cueball. I couldn't do that with a Bunjee or an Airtime.

You may have the ability to shoot these shots with your Bunjee or Fury. The general public doesn't. It's like putting $500 on the fact that a Predator shaft doesn't play more accurately than a standard Fury shaft, because you are able to run a rack with both. The proof of their claim is in what it allows the average player to do, not the superhuman.
 
BPG24 said:
every review I have read from players, has been nothing but great...

This maybe the first time Shawn and I have agreed.. LOL

Too many people love the Predator Air for this to change anything...

I agree. And the first time I picked it up and jumped with it I was impressed by how easily it jumps the ball.

But when I started to put it through the paces with the shots I do in my demos I found it to be lacking and myself adjusting to make up for the weight difference.

This is all I am saying. Try it before you buy it.

The Germans have a saying that a new broom sweeps better. What this means is that people tend to subconciously think that because something is the newest thing that it is automatically better than the "old" thing.

I have seen people jump a dollar bill's width with the Bunjee and the Airtime. I don't see how a cue can jump better than that. So for me, and I know I am taking the controversial road here, it comes down to control.

And I am SURE that the P-Air doesn't offer the same degree of control as sticks currently on the market. Not without serious adjustment on the part of the player.

But, time will tell if I am right or wrong.
 
Like I said earlier, don't confuse talent for technology. There are players out there that can do unreal things with the Airtime or the Bunjee. These people won't see much difference when playing the Air jump cue. I have noticed a serious advantage in the Air for me, and I put it through the paces against a lot of jump cues. As far as accuracy, it's the best on the market. It also gets the ball down a lot faster than the other models. If the object ball was near the back rail, you were always worrying about losing the cueball off the table. With the Air, the cueball seems to be flat and rolling by the time it gets to the ball. Very quick up and down with the cue.

You know my hate of jump cues. In getting with the times, though, I do need to have one for higher level tourneys. I chose the Air.
 
Shawn Armstrong said:
Love the fine print.

Larry Nevel can jump a ball from a credit card width with an X-jumper. We're talking about the general public, John, not you.

I have used every jump cue on the market. I've even made them. I picked up the Air on account of wanting to test it to see if it was just that good. It ended up in my bag. I can jump a ball that is less than 1" from the cueball. I couldn't do that with a Bunjee or an Airtime.

You may have the ability to shoot these shots with your Bunjee or Fury. The general public doesn't. It's like putting $500 on the fact that a Predator shaft doesn't play more accurately than a standard Fury shaft, because you are able to run a rack with both. The proof of their claim is in what it allows the average player to do, not the superhuman.


Actually it's totally based on averages. The challenge I have revolves around ten shots that are game situation shots. I don't happen to think that having a cue which allows the amateur player with a mediocre stroke to "jump" a ball is helpful. This only furthers the "gimmick" aspect of such cues. I think that a proper cue balances performance and control.

I know of many cues like the P-Air that allow for one to jump a ball 1" away with little effort. Cues that were out long before the P-Air I might add.

But does this make them better?

In my opinion no it does not.

In my opinion one should use a cue which allows for the shot to be made with the proper stroke without having to work extra hard to control the ball. Compare this to shooting pool with a K-mart special with a screw on tip. You know going in that you are going to have to work harder to achieve your desired positions with that type of cue.

People tend to focus on the AIR part of jump cues. ALL jump cues these days can jump a ball within one inch. Which ones allow for better control of the cueball though throughout a wide range of jump shots?

That is the purpose of the review.
 
Shawn Armstrong said:
Like I said earlier, don't confuse talent for technology. There are players out there that can do unreal things with the Airtime or the Bunjee. These people won't see much difference when playing the Air jump cue. I have noticed a serious advantage in the Air for me, and I put it through the paces against a lot of jump cues. As far as accuracy, it's the best on the market. It also gets the ball down a lot faster than the other models. If the object ball was near the back rail, you were always worrying about losing the cueball off the table. With the Air, the cueball seems to be flat and rolling by the time it gets to the ball. Very quick up and down with the cue.

You know my hate of jump cues. In getting with the times, though, I do need to have one for higher level tourneys. I chose the Air.

If you are worried about losing the ball then it's your technique and not the cue that is the problem.

I have taught a lot of good players how to jump better. A lot of them were losing the cueball before I taught them how to control it.

I guarantee you Shawn that whatever shot you want to perform I will show you how to do it with a Bunjee/Bunjee-like cue and you will agree that it's technique and not cue. I can agree that the P-Air jumps a little better for the close balls. It should since it's 6oz. But I can guarantee you that with a wide range of shots it's not as suitable for controlling the cueball. In my opinion it's better to buy the correct cue and learn the correct technique rather than the wrong one and sacrifice control and have to over-adjust.

But again, this is just my opinion based on experience.
 
pred good--- dale chilton great as well

How about the u-tube stuff with larry Nevel and he uses dale chilton's double eagle. And it comes with some extenscions. I was at the Hopkins show and larry N picketed up the pred. before there were none and jumps from the kitchen to two balls infont of the pocket makes the ball falls back with out scratching. I thought bunjee dissappeared because they there joint was an infringement on the uniloc ? In the video on u-tube he is as close as possible and jumps straight up and over making the ball in the pocket. He then shoots all propaganda shots you have ever seen -one haned as well mark Thanks larry it was one hell of a show
 
Here's what your $500 challenge should be. Set up the 10 shots that you have, and let someone like me (an Air user) to shoot the shots with your cue, and the Air cue. Enlist TATE, or whoever else has an Air. Get them to shoot the shots, not you.

Ned Morris can do some unreal stuff with a full length cue. To show the cue's effectiveness, you have to put it in the hands of the layman. Tiger Woods wouldn't see much difference if he switched his driver. I, on the other hand, would.
 
John

You stated exactly the right factors in judging a jump cue, getting up, but having control, and I agree with you, the ultra-lights can get it up, but suffer accuracy and control issues. A good example would be the Dr. Popper jump cue by McDermott.

And for these reasons too, is why I said, in my previous review, that the X-Jumper with the X2 tip (contains leather in a darkish tan colored phenolic type tip) was the best jump cue I have ever used in 46 years of playing. It has the cue weight feel to it (ash shaft, 1/2" bowling ball ferrule), but gets the cue up and over, with almost the feel of a regular leather tip. (and I wonder how Richard is doing health-wise?)

And yes John, I have tried yours too.
 
Shawn Armstrong said:
Here's what your $500 challenge should be. Set up the 10 shots that you have, and let someone like me (an Air user) to shoot the shots with your cue, and the Air cue. Enlist TATE, or whoever else has an Air. Get them to shoot the shots, not you.

Ned Morris can do some unreal stuff with a full length cue. To show the cue's effectiveness, you have to put it in the hands of the layman. Tiger Woods wouldn't see much difference if he switched his driver. I, on the other hand, would.


The Tiger Woods comment is way off base...... Any equipment change would effect his play immediately... He and his fitting staff have gone through thousands of fitting options to get his perfect club....

However I agree with the ideas in your post....
 
HollyWood said:
How about the u-tube stuff with larry Nevel and he uses dale chilton's double eagle. And it comes with some extenscions. I was at the Hopkins show and larry N picketed up the pred. before there were none and jumps from the kitchen to two balls infont of the pocket makes the ball falls back with out scratching. I thought bunjee dissappeared because they there joint was an infringement on the uniloc ? In the video on u-tube he is as close as possible and jumps straight up and over making the ball in the pocket. He then shoots all propaganda shots you have ever seen -one haned as well mark Thanks larry it was one hell of a show

Dale's cue is great. Better than the Predator in my opinion.

Bunjee's are still around, no problems with the joint.

Larry is fantastic as is Shawn Putnam. I love it when we get together and shoot proposition jump shots.

My friend Chris showed Larry and others the long jump into a small target. One year he was working on it and was flying balls everywhere. Then he sees Buddy Hall walking towards the booth and tells me to set it up. I say no, not in front of Buddy.

He sets it up and bam - nails it - an eight foot jump shot into a six inch target and stops the cue ball dead. Crazy.
 
John, you've just proven my point about the $500 bet. If you're shooting jump prop shots with Nevel and Putnam, then you are in an elite group of jumpers. Those of us, on the other hand, that only use a jump cue now and then (I like my table and new 860 too much to jump a lot) see a big advantage to the Air. Like I said, let's let the numbers be the judge. Start looking around the tourneys and see who has them. There are already 4 guys at my pool hall that have them, and this is lonely Ontario, Canada where I'm from.
 
Shawn Armstrong said:
Here's what your $500 challenge should be. Set up the 10 shots that you have, and let someone like me (an Air user) to shoot the shots with your cue, and the Air cue. Enlist TATE, or whoever else has an Air. Get them to shoot the shots, not you.

Ned Morris can do some unreal stuff with a full length cue. To show the cue's effectiveness, you have to put it in the hands of the layman. Tiger Woods wouldn't see much difference if he switched his driver. I, on the other hand, would.

Shawn, that is exactly what it is. I take people not affiliated with either company and let them do the shots with both cues and report the results. Pretty simple. Whichever cue performs better throughout the range of shots is the winner.

I never said that I would do the comparisons for the $500. That would be a little too easy eh :-)

The whole point of this is when discussing performance then a cue should perform better if it is claimed to. If it's more expensive then it should definitely perform better.

Believe me, if I felt that the Predator was better then I wouldn't have posted. I'd be busy figuring out how it's better and figuring out how to do it.

But there is no secret to why it jumps well - it's light. Dale Chilton, Lightning Bolt, Dr. Popper, Guido and others make ultralights that do the same thing, get a ball in the air "easier". And these have been around long before the P-Air.

I can make an ultralight too. Not a problem. I did it years ago, getting down to as much as four ounces and change for a 41 inch cue. But we - the people developing and testing it - all decided that the best weight to performance ratio was 8-9oz.

And in ten years that has not been proven wrong yet.
 
Shawn Armstrong said:
John, you've just proven my point about the $500 bet. If you're shooting jump prop shots with Nevel and Putnam, then you are in an elite group of jumpers. Those of us, on the other hand, that only use a jump cue now and then (I like my table and new 860 too much to jump a lot) see a big advantage to the Air. Like I said, let's let the numbers be the judge. Start looking around the tourneys and see who has them. There are already 4 guys at my pool hall that have them, and this is lonely Ontario, Canada where I'm from.

I don't really think numbers are the criteria to judge whether a cue is better or not.

Dale Chilton's Flying Eagle might be the best jump cue on earth but he is going to sell a lot less of them because he doesn't have the advertising and promotional budget that Predator has. He doesn't pay players to use one prominently in front of the cameras at major events.

That's like saying that a Ford Fiesta is the best car on earth because it sold the most units.

But if you want to go by that score then the Bunjee and Bunjee Clones will continue to vastly outnumber the Predator Air in pool halls and tournaments.

It's not about what sells more. My electronics drawer is full of gadgets that I thought were great in the store and turned out to be nearly useless when I got them home. It's about what works better. For some people who focus on how easily the ball jumps the P-Air and ultralights like it will be what they want. For others that like to be able to control the cueball the cues with more weight to them will be what they want.
 
Snapshot9 said:
You stated exactly the right factors in judging a jump cue, getting up, but having control, and I agree with you, the ultra-lights can get it up, but suffer accuracy and control issues. A good example would be the Dr. Popper jump cue by McDermott.

And for these reasons too, is why I said, in my previous review, that the X-Jumper with the X2 tip (contains leather in a darkish tan colored phenolic type tip) was the best jump cue I have ever used in 46 years of playing. It has the cue weight feel to it (ash shaft, 1/2" bowling ball ferrule), but gets the cue up and over, with almost the feel of a regular leather tip. (and I wonder how Richard is doing health-wise?)

And yes John, I have tried yours too.

I haven't tried the X-jumper yet. I hope Richard is doing better as well!!

Fred Agnir, Cornerman on here, agrees with you about the X-jumper. I think Fred is generally spot on about his reviews. Must be the engineer side of him. So maybe I will get to try it myself someday and see it myself.

I think the holy grail of jump cues is to create one that truly does feel like a regular cue but has the performance of a shaft jump. If the X-jumper does this or gets close then it's good with me.

John
 
"That's like saying that a Ford Fiesta is the best car on earth because it sold the most units."


Have you been drinking??
 
magnetardo said:
"That's like saying that a Ford Fiesta is the best car on earth because it sold the most units."


Have you been drinking??

Nah. I just pulled the first crappy car name I could think of to make my point.

But I can pretty much guarantee that whatever car model is the best seller is not the best car.

I should be drinking though - gonna have to remedy that later. :-)
 
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