Talisman vs Moori

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I know that there is probably a thread out there about the same thing but I would like some current info on the subject.
Ive heard great things about both of these tips but I really want the low down on both. Moori is supposed to be the best tip on the market with excellent craftsmanship and quality, which unfortunately comes with a high price tag. They roughly go for 25 a tip.
However, the Talisman is supposed to be of equal quality and performance and the price at the Talisman site is 3 tips for 25.
Now my question to you is, for those who have actually used these tips and have experienced how they peform and endure the constant abuse. Which do you think is the better tip not only for the performance and quality but also for the price. In one hand you get one for 25 and in the other you get 3 for the price of one. Will the Moori provide good performance , durability and be worth every penny. Or will the 3 Talisman outlast the other.
Another question that I have is how often do people change there tips? If you play a lot of pool what is the average lifetime of your tip provided that you are a decent player that basically knows what they are doing and takes good care of your stick?
 
I used to use Moori (Slow and Medium) on my cues. I noticed that there was a tendency for the Moori to harden really fast...and that you have to rough them with a scuffer or a tip pick every so often.

I then tried Talisman, and I found the Talisman to be okay. The first Talismans I used (about a year ago) had a tendency to delaminate...and I swore off them for a while.

Well, I ran out of Moori's a few weeks ago and I received a Talisman (new stock) from a friend, and put it on my new cue. I was pleasantly surprised because I found it to be better than the ones I had before.

At any rate, the tips I like to use right now on my cues are the Tiger Sniper layered tips. I like them a lot.... :)

nbc
 
The Moori tips are made in Japan. They do "harden" up after a while. The Talismans are made in Bangkok Thailand. I was in a leather shop in Bangkok last year and saw first hand the tips being made. The tips are made with a thicker glue than the moori's are. The talisman tip will not harden up as fast as Moori's . They will peel off a layer or two when installing them. To me this means the glue is weak.I have been installing tips for 32 plus years and have a lot of experance with all types of tips.

I now have my own brand of layered tips. [BLUD'S].

These are in my opinion better than either of the forementioned tips. I just returned from the APA Nationals, and sold [installed] 7 moori's and 4 talisman's, and 31 of mine. I did quite a bit of research and finialy came with a tip that plays very good. I have these tips made for me. The first few I made myself. It's an expensive task. I have found a company that has stuck to my very ridged spec's and are doing a fine job.

Tips in general are made of several pieces of leather and treated and then processed to shape. My tip are made of pig skin shaved very thin.

When you get a new tip installed, you should not let anyone play with your cue. The reason is, that "you" play into your new tip. It become acustomed to "your" style of stroke. Yes, your stroke. You play into the tip with your stance, stroke and firmness of stroke. So, what your doing is "seasoning" your tip to your stroke. Another play will have a differant approach [angle] to the cue ball and therefore, the tip becomes seasoned to his "stroke".

Please call or e-mail me with your questions.
thanks
Blud
 
The new Talismans are much better than their early models.
I had two put on and they're holding up really well.
I had a new Morri medium put on a few months back. Imo, Mooris aren't as good as the old ones. They don't have that action anymore and they get hard.
Another very good tip is the Everest tip.
 
I love my Talisman tips. I play on the pro tour, and they are an excellent tip. When I get a new tip put on, I automatically have it taken down to about a half tip. This one I got put on almost a year ago and it is still holding up well!!!! I also break with my cue.:D
 
Cheap tips, many are out there.

My tips are $30.00 installed, and a free shafts cleaning comes with it.. You can order them for $10.00 each, un-installed.....Not a bad price considering that you won't change it for month's on end. With proper maintance it should last up to 12 -14 month's.

Fairness about pricing, My prices are justified,

As far as charging $15 or up to $30 per tip, not a bad price. I go to many tournaments and pay big money for the booth space, road expence, and hotels

I just returned from the biggest tournament in the world, much money it cost.

Hotel, food, gas, booth space, and material expences as well as 15 days on the road, not building cues [no cue income, but the over head keeps running] for two weeks at my shop and having to eat out every meal. Not cheap. This last trip was close to $8,697.00,

hotels $1206.00,road food $1000.00, gas $527.00,
stowage building to keep my trailer in Vegas for two month's, after the BCA trade show. $189.00, booth space $1,500.00, Porters cleaning booth and bring ice for sodas, $100.00,misc, stuff from stores and office, $75.00, supplies $600.00, plus lossing15 days income at home, another $3,500.00.........Then and only then, we started making money. So, tips are not cheap for me or you.


So add it up, that's $8,687.00 big ones.
[ Hell this does not include the BITE]..

For you guys who are so called experts at pricing tips, [cheap or not] , you need to buy a lathe, get trained, build a reputation, hit the road, pay the booth space and all that goes along the way, and try to make it installing cheap tips. [ you won't last long]........Hell, 25 years ago, I got $8.00 for a standard tip installed on the road, and cleaning the shaft was $4.00 bucks. Today it's like $25.00 bucks.

Pretty good deal for all players.

Consider this, The road expence is killer. No break at all.

We went to eat at the Riveria Hotel and Casino, [KADY"S]and for two of us to eat breakfast, [one pan cake each, two eggs each, one order of bacon for the two of us, one small orange juice, two coffee's, and water, for the tidy sum of $38.64, plus a $5.00 tip]..... Try it sometime. Might not like it. I know some will say, you can stay at a super 8 or motel 6 for less money.

Well guys, I made my wife a prommiss 43 years ago, if, We got to leave home, we sure as hell ain't gonna down grade our life style.. Would you? My wife and I try to be as comfortable as possible on or off the road.. Work standing on your feet for 14.5 hours a day for 11 days and then drive home[1350 miles one way], and back to work the very next morning. Got home sunday night the 24th and I leave for Grady's tournament [ the 30th ] in Columbia, South Carolina, this coming Sat. for a 9 day trip. .[ one pocket and straight pool]. Hope to see many of you there.


blud
 
I have never liked moori tips. Me & my brother bought 50 of them when they first came out. I believe 47 got thrown in the junk compartment and after a few years got thrown away after they dry-rotted. Moori tips get hard spots in places, not the whole tip at first. They wouldn't hold chaulk very well and in tournament play it's not the time to have problems. I rate them 4 levels below a Le-Pro.

I have used Hercules(same tip as Talisman) Medium for the last few years and love them. But I may install them a little different. I cut them in half before I put them on becuse I don't trust any layered tip. I have seen layers colapse before when the tip was full. I just bought another box of 25 from Tommy K. a few weeks ago. I also have been doing tips since the 1970's for myself and other tour players.

Best advice though is to try 4 or 5 different types. Not just brands but hard, medium, or soft because they are not all rated the same way.

Good Luck :)
 
I find that layered tips are perfect if maintained well, meaning, keeping it a little rounded so as to not feel its hardness, especially for soft-strokes with english on the cue ball. It takes a little time before layerd tips settle down to be consistently giving me the same feel all the time. When it stops mushrooming on the sides, then it is settled.

Yes, scuffing them can be a problem also. Tappers just can't get through them. Porkypines get through the layers and affect consistency. Only rough sanding works.

Both shaping it round and scuffing it need sand paper, and when I sand it, I see little grains fall down and then I start estimating the cost of what is sanded off!

Per se, layered tips lasts. But for me, they do not because of maintainance. For consistency of the feel, I still go for solid leather as long as it is held down in a clamp for a day or two before it is installed.
 
My cue has a brunswick tip, i think its medium to hard...i had it for almost a month now, and i scuffed it last night for better performance...i have had no problems with it...and it only costs around $1...:P hehehe...:D
 
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