The Break Cue Lie

[td873]

uhhhhh, thanks for reiterating my above post that proves this statement

Just for the record, I didn't read your post (I seldom read down to the third page of any of Bernie's Posts), so if my statement was a repeat, then take it as a compliment. In fact, it looks like I may have been typing at the same time as you, just hit enter later.

In any event, I think I stated the point more succinctly

-td

 

[Klopek]

This is not an accurate statement. More conical tapers and different hardnesses in materials will yield different results in cue ball velocity. There is analytical data showing this.

Also, as mentioned before, mushrooming is a possibility with soft single layer tips. Further, if you have an ivory ferrule, there is a well-known possibility of damage to your cue - which is (generally) not present for phenolic tipped break cues.

Moreover, in the high stakes world of professional pool, any advantage that can be gained by using specialized equipment can be the difference between winning and losing.

-td

uhhhhh, thanks for reiterating my above post that proves this statement

td873 made his point more succinctly, which I appreciate.

 

[tk_it_ez]

I'd go to 8-ball bernie for tax advice before I went to him for advice on pool.

I wouldn't recommend it. You might be doing your posting during your rec time in the prison library.

Nathan

 

[berlowmj]

Perhaps the "break cue lie" was part of the Protocols of Zion.

 

[StormHotRod300]

I do believe Larry Nevel was using a Omen JB cue as his playing cue and break cue in the IPT! but what kind of tip was he using? IDK But he is also a rare exception too.

The only way i can think that you could break with your playing cue and still get a similar result, as if you was using a break cue, would be if your playing cue had a Phenolic ferrule, and a HARD TIP! like a moori hard, water buffalo, stingray, sniper etc etc etc.

I have a Action SP with a phenolic ferrule/tip combo on it and IT BREAK GREAT!

And to say i could take my playing cue which has a LBM ferrule and a Triangle tip and still get the same results is crazy!

 

[inthezone]

When the object striking the other is deformed, it loses energy.

Also STORES energy...think of a rubber ball.

A deformation is proportional to an objects density.

Actually it is proportional to its STIFFNESS (modulus of elasticity)...has nothing to do with density.

If an objects is "softer" is will deform more, producing a weaker collision.

Ever see a pic of a golf ball being compressed by a driver head?

A phenolic tip is faster in large part because it is more ELASTIC (live) and leather is more PLASTIC (dead)

 

[MasterRacker]

I have a mercury-filled aluminum break cue with a stainless steel tip. When I let my stroke out a little to get above 40mph, I hear a kind of pinging noise. Is that normal?

 

[MattRDavis]

I have a mercury-filled aluminum break cue with a stainless steel tip. When I let my stroke out a little to get above 40mph, I hear a kind of pinging noise. Is that normal?

I think I must have the same cue, except mine has a lithium wrap.

Whenever I break, people complain that their teeth hurt.

Wussies.

 

[Pinocchio]

Riboner!!!!!!!

"I agree with Bernie 100% as long as you are playing one pocket or straight pool". Quote from Riboner
If you have a good break you can have flat tip - no tip -cracked ferrule-
giant ding in shaft from hitting light or worse
Pinocchio

 

[seymore15074]

I see why someone may be skepical of the need for break cues, but the fact remains that they are important.

The majority of cues are fine to break with, but even then you may not want to put your tip through that kind of torture. You'll find yourself scuffing your tip more than shooting. If you are one of the people that are breaking your break cue when breaking, you are either breaking too hard, or breaking wrong. A standard cue will not break from breaking.

There are some cues that will not hold up to a break, however. Take the OB-1 shaft, for example. Break with it, and you can say goodbye to that ferrule. High-end cues that are made with ivory or other fragile materials are also not intended for breaking.

Also, I can't speak for everyone else's break cue, but my break cue DOES break better than my other cue. It is a different weight, has a stiffer shaft, and has a phenolic tip.

There is my unbiased response to the post.

 

[despotic931]

I do believe Larry Nevel was using a Omen JB cue as his playing cue and break cue in the IPT! but what kind of tip was he using? IDK But he is also a rare exception too.

The only way i can think that you could break with your playing cue and still get a similar result, as if you was using a break cue, would be if your playing cue had a Phenolic ferrule, and a HARD TIP! like a moori hard, water buffalo, stingray, sniper etc etc etc.

I have a Action SP with a phenolic ferrule/tip combo on it and IT BREAK GREAT!

And to say i could take my playing cue which has a LBM ferrule and a Triangle tip and still get the same results is crazy!

I play pool with Larry (well, more like watch him run out, lol) but I believe he had a water buffalo tip on that cue

 

[jimmy-leggs]

If you did that YOU'D get a call from the IRS really really fast... or in Bernie's language , YO'UD.

yo'u mak'e me lau'gh poo'lfool .kee'p it up. lmho.

 

[fish on]

great laugh Thanks!!

I think I must have the same cue, except mine has a lithium wrap.

Whenever I break, people complain that their teeth hurt.

Wussies.

You guys made me laugh and I am on the way to get a flu shot, so not easy thing to do!

 

[fish on]

These are the two posts !!!

I have a mercury-filled aluminum break cue with a stainless steel tip. When I let my stroke out a little to get above 40mph, I hear a kind of pinging noise. Is that normal?

The posts are these two above.