The Break Shot in a Pool Game/ Parking Whitey

catpool9

catpool9

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The break shot in a pool game is the most important shot of the game , "other than making The Game Ball "

A player that breaks good will win far more games in a rotation game than not, I myself like 9-Ball/winner breaks, therefore whomever breaks the best usually win's....

because they tend to run the balls out more effectively than the person that breaks terrible.......

so why not concentrate on the breaking of the pool balls to give yourself an advantage...........

I know on a spot factor/ getting the break IN 9-bALL CAN BE LIKE GETTING THE 7 BALL if you break well, and on the other hand if you break terrible the role can be reversed.

I don't play one pocket but I'm sure the break is like getting a ball/ atleast.

I just think we all need to concentrate on the break shot more / which will lead to more W's in the win column......

When I was just a kid I practiced the break shot for hours upon hours/ racking and reracking......then breaking the balls playing 9-Ball

What are your views about the break shot?


David Harcrow
 
catpool9 said:
What are your views about the break shot?


David Harcrow
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I think it's a great way to start the game:D


Seriously though... in rotation games it tends to mean a lot, since there's so many players that can run out, means even more in those short races and alternate break

In onepocket it's considered to be a pretty pig edge if you can pull off a good break and put them in a lot of trouble right away. In the same token, you can break and not put in pressure on them, break and sell out or lay down a great one and the guy either gets out of it or shoots a flyer and gets lucky and puts you in a trap. It's roughly worth 1 - 1.5 balls

I agree and actually made that a question I would have asked Earl last night on the podcast. He kept bringing up Shanes break and at the same time was saying he's the greatest in the world except that pesky brake of SVB might put a dent in that title, so I was wondering why he wouldn't practice the break like Shane does. After all he's used to training and all.

I imagine some people are practicing the break much more so then they were years ago. If not, they really should be.
 
Hey Cat.....

catpool9 said:
The break shot in a pool game is the most important shot of the game , "other than making The Game Ball "

A player that breaks good will win far more games in a rotation game than not, I myself like 9-Ball/winner breaks, therefore whomever breaks the best usually win's....

because they tend to run the balls out more effectively than the person that breaks terrible.......

so why not concentrate on the breaking of the pool balls to give yourself an advantage...........

I know on a spot factor/ getting the break IN 9-bALL CAN BE LIKE GETTING THE 7 BALL if you break well, and on the other hand if you break terrible the role can be reversed.

I don't play one pocket but I'm sure the break is like getting a ball/ atleast.

I just think we all need to concentrate on the break shot more / which will lead to more W's in the win column......

When I was just a kid I practiced the break shot for hours upon hours/ racking and reracking......then breaking the balls playing 9-Ball

What are your views about the break shot?


David Harcrow
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The break does mean a lot in most pool games! It can make or break you in a close match as well.
Regards,
Lock N load.
 
catpool9 said:
The break shot in a pool game is the most important shot of the game , "other than making The Game Ball "

A player that breaks good will win far more games in a rotation game than not, I myself like 9-Ball/winner breaks, therefore whomever breaks the best usually win's....

because they tend to run the balls out more effectively than the person that breaks terrible.......

so why not concentrate on the breaking of the pool balls to give yourself an advantage...........

I know on a spot factor/ getting the break IN 9-bALL CAN BE LIKE GETTING THE 7 BALL if you break well, and on the other hand if you break terrible the role can be reversed.

I don't play one pocket but I'm sure the break is like getting a ball/ atleast.

I just think we all need to concentrate on the break shot more / which will lead to more W's in the win column......

When I was just a kid I practiced the break shot for hours upon hours/ racking and reracking......then breaking the balls playing 9-Ball

What are your views about the break shot?


David Harcrow
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A lot of things go in to making up a good break shot. To say just practice the break doesn't explain much. Some guys hit them as hard as they can others softer and from different angles. I used to play a guy called "Skippy from Boston" who used a soft break and made as many balls as anybody he was very tough to beat. Me personally, I just find an angle I like on that table and hit the rack as square as I can with good speed hopefully controlling the cue ball. I do practice breaking and mostly is just what I said. I am afraid most guys I have seen practicing the break are all intent on speed.

Speed is important, but accuracy is much more important in my opinion. With accuracy comes a good hit on the rack and that produces the cue ball control. There is a catch-22 here. If you don't get a good solid hit on the rack, power is lost regardless how hard you hit the cue ball. In other words, a good solid hit at a lower speed will produce more consistent results then bad hit racks at a higher speed. I would say that taking something off your speed and working on accuracy is a good starting point to improve ones break. Then you can add speed till you reach the point "Diminishing returns".
 
catpool9 said:
The break shot in a pool game is the most important shot of the game , "other than making The Game Ball "

A player that breaks good will win far more games in a rotation game than not, I myself like 9-Ball/winner breaks, therefore whomever breaks the best usually win's....

because they tend to run the balls out more effectively than the person that breaks terrible.......

so why not concentrate on the breaking of the pool balls to give yourself an advantage...........

I know on a spot factor/ getting the break IN 9-bALL CAN BE LIKE GETTING THE 7 BALL if you break well, and on the other hand if you break terrible the role can be reversed.

I don't play one pocket but I'm sure the break is like getting a ball/ atleast.

I just think we all need to concentrate on the break shot more / which will lead to more W's in the win column......

When I was just a kid I practiced the break shot for hours upon hours/ racking and reracking......then breaking the balls playing 9-Ball

What are your views about the break shot?


David Harcrow
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I think once a player reaches a certain level of playing pool, the break is the most important shot of the game.Wish i had a cure for it,i would feel a lot better gambling with my money.
Whats tough to deal with on breaking is how some tables seem to break different from the same spot.
If anyone knows the magic spot let me know ,and i don't mind paying for good info.(9ball)
 
macguy said:
A lot of things go in to making up a good break shot. To say just practice the break doesn't explain much. Some guys hit them as hard as they can others softer and from different angles. I used to play a guy called "Skippy from Boston" who used a soft break and made as many balls as anybody he was very tough to beat. Me personally, I just find an angle I like on that table and hit the rack as square as I can with good speed hopefully controlling the cue ball. I do practice breaking and mostly is just what I said. I am afraid most guys I have seen practicing the break are all intent on speed.

Speed is important, but accuracy is much more important in my opinion. With accuracy comes a good hit on the rack and that produces the cue ball control. There is a catch-22 here. If you don't get a good solid hit on the rack, power is lost regardless how hard you hit the cue ball. In other words, a good solid hit at a lower speed will produce more consistent results then bad hit racks at a higher speed. I would say that taking something off your speed and working on accuracy is a good starting point to improve ones break. Then you can add speed till you reach the point "Diminishing returns".
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I like this post.^
When Buddy Hall was giving world champions the 8 (70's) I doubt if he
was in the top hundred breakers....but he broke good enough to make
a ball.
If you can make ONE ball on the break.....you can run as many racks as
a player who's making four balls.
Accuracy is still the primary ingredient of a break.
 
Good thread. I know that when I look back on the times I have been in the zone, I can distinctly remember popping the ball and centering it when breaking. Lately, I haven't been in the same zip code as any zone whatsoever so maybe I should practice my break! But, I do agree, breaking is critical.
 
I think the importance of the break also depends on your overall skill level. If you can't run out after the break then you're probably giving your opponent an advantage. If you have a good break, run out 4 balls, and then turn the game over to your opponent, you've just made it easier for him to run out.
 
Why I hated coin-op nine ball

The break is why I hated coin-op nine ball. I was a pretty heavy favorite to win the nine ball but then the other player always wanted to "use up" the other six balls playing six ball for the same bet. I broke dry very often on a six ball break. Seemed like the folding paper almost got worn out passing it back and forth sometimes!

Hu
 
"CaliRed". said:
I think it's a great way to start the game:D


Seriously though... in rotation games it tends to mean a lot, since there's so many players that can run out, means even more in those short races and alternate break

In onepocket it's considered to be a pretty pig edge if you can pull off a good break and put them in a lot of trouble right away. In the same token, you can break and not put in pressure on them, break and sell out or lay down a great one and the guy either gets out of it or shoots a flyer and gets lucky and puts you in a trap. It's roughly worth 1 - 1.5 balls

I agree and actually made that a question I would have asked Earl last night on the podcast. He kept bringing up Shanes break and at the same time was saying he's the greatest in the world except that pesky brake of SVB might put a dent in that title, so I was wondering why he wouldn't practice the break like Shane does. After all he's used to training and all.

I imagine some people are practicing the break much more so then they were years ago. If not, they really should be.
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Thanks Red for your input, I agree with everything you said!


David Harcrow
 
Lock N Load said:
The break does mean a lot in most pool games! It can make or break you in a close match as well.
Regards,
Lock N load.
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Yes your right Lock, I've seen good run out players that had terrible breaks in 9-Ball and would lose their match even though they were really the better player.


David Harcrow
 
macguy said:
A lot of things go in to making up a good break shot. To say just practice the break doesn't explain much. Some guys hit them as hard as they can others softer and from different angles. I used to play a guy called "Skippy from Boston" who used a soft break and made as many balls as anybody he was very tough to beat. Me personally, I just find an angle I like on that table and hit the rack as square as I can with good speed hopefully controlling the cue ball. I do practice breaking and mostly is just what I said. I am afraid most guys I have seen practicing the break are all intent on speed.

Speed is important, but accuracy is much more important in my opinion. With accuracy comes a good hit on the rack and that produces the cue ball control. There is a catch-22 here. If you don't get a good solid hit on the rack, power is lost regardless how hard you hit the cue ball. In other words, a good solid hit at a lower speed will produce more consistent results then bad hit racks at a higher speed. I would say that taking something off your speed and working on accuracy is a good starting point to improve ones break. Then you can add speed till you reach the point "Diminishing returns".
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Thanks macguy, for a most knowledgeable and very informative post!
greenie for you!


David Harcrow
 
8pack said:
I think once a player reaches a certain level of playing pool, the break is the most important shot of the game.Wish i had a cure for it,i would feel a lot better gambling with my money.
Whats tough to deal with on breaking is how some tables seem to break different from the same spot.
If anyone knows the magic spot let me know ,and i don't mind paying for good info.(9ball)
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All so true, if your good at the break shot, then there are many factors that determine how well your break will work for a particular table.

The cloth, cloth wear, cue ball sizes and weight, material the object balls are made from, sometimes you will have one or two balls in a 9-Ball rack that are different sizes, if I can't change them out with those from another table I'll place them in the back of the rack, also the person racking the balls determines how well you break!


David Harcrow
 
pt109 said:
If you can make ONE ball on the break.....you can run as many racks as
a player who's making four balls.
Accuracy is still the primary ingredient of a break.
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I agree pt109, thanks for adding your input!


David Harcrow
 
TorranceChris said:
Good thread. I know that when I look back on the times I have been in the zone, I can distinctly remember popping the ball and centering it when breaking. Lately, I haven't been in the same zip code as any zone whatsoever so maybe I should practice my break! But, I do agree, breaking is critical.
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Thanks Chris for your input, I too sometimes get lazy while breaking the balls and forget to concentrate, that's when I begen to start losing alot of games!


David Harcrow
 
Daithi said:
I think the importance of the break also depends on your overall skill level. If you can't run out after the break then you're probably giving your opponent an advantage. If you have a good break, run out 4 balls, and then turn the game over to your opponent, you've just made it easier for him to run out.
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Daithi, thanks for your input, I agree if you can't runs balls after the break in a rotation game, your game will suffer much!


David Harcrow
 
ShootingArts said:
The break is why I hated coin-op nine ball. I was a pretty heavy favorite to win the nine ball but then the other player always wanted to "use up" the other six balls playing six ball for the same bet. I broke dry very often on a six ball break. Seemed like the folding paper almost got worn out passing it back and forth sometimes!

Hu
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Ah Hu, the good ole days of 9 & 6 ball on the coin-op's, get two games for the price of one, I too usually lost the 6-ball rack, never could get a break that worked out for me with that game, although I have seen some players make the corner ball on the 6-ball rack go four ralls into the corner pocket rather often.

Thanks for your input!


David Harcrow
 
Thanks everyone for posting in my thread, I enjoyed the reading very much!
To all those I didn't give REP too, I must spread around somemore before I can giive, but I will get back to you!

later's all,:thumbup:

David Harcrow
 
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