The Diference between Back hand English and Tuck and roll

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There are many different ways to apply english to the cue ball.Most snooker players who play pool ( ie. Steve Davis) and the majority pool players in general hit their english straight through the cue ball. They line their stance, bridge hand and eye(s) straight through the english they are going to use and then stroke the cue ball.

If you watch Jeanette Lee closely she sometimes uses backhand english.What she'll do is line up to pocket her cut shot center ball (top, mid or bottom) and then pivot her backhand to the desired english she chooses to apply and then stroke the cue down that line, glancing across the cue ball instead of straight through it.I don't personally use it but have tried it and for certain shots it can be deadly accurate.It also completely takes the guessing out of compensating for deflection.

Buddy Hall uses what he calls tuck and roll to apply english. He lines up center ball(top,mid or bottom) and then pivots his backhand all in one motion glancing across the cue ball to apply english all while in the act of stroking.

All three are great shooters, all three get the job done.Hopefully I've explained all three styles correctly and I invite the pool gurus present to correct me if I'm wrong. Any commentary on these styles might make for a discussion. RJ

ps. there's also aim and pivot which I don't know much about.
 
just a warning, disscussing tuck and roll vs straight thru side spin, is like disscussing, jews vs christians, bush vs kerry, it's very, very, how could i say, it will provoke big thoughts, that will have 9006 replys, all from people who mean well, but at the end of the day, side spin is side spin, so let's stop this thread, right here, truce? not to get indecent, but i may masturbate one way, you another, the end result is we both have orgasams, this is what i think of the tuck and roll vs straight thru side, at the end of the day, they both produce spin.
 
I like to grip it loose. Its all in the wrist action. Prefer a good straight stroke, otherwise I feel you run the risk of bending your shaft.
 
I'm basically a snooker player by technique, but have picked up many straits playing mostly pool for the past few years. I play side spin mostly the snooker way, but when I want the most spin possible, I play with a loop/closed bridge and stroke across the ball.
 
The way I see it, "tuck N roll" can too easily result in the wrong amount of spin and/or a miscue. There seems to be way too much room for error. I know Buddy Hall uses it, but he has it perfected.

Troy...~~~ Prefers the inherent accuracy of "Back-Hand"... :)
recoveryjones said:
There are many different ways to apply english to the cue ball.Most snooker players who play pool ( ie. Steve Davis) and the majority pool players in general hit their english straight through the cue ball. They line their stance, bridge hand and eye(s) straight through the english they are going to use and then stroke the cue ball.

If you watch Jeanette Lee closely she sometimes uses backhand english.What she'll do is line up to pocket her cut shot center ball (top, mid or bottom) and then pivot her backhand to the desired english she chooses to apply and then stroke the cue down that line, glancing across the cue ball instead of straight through it.I don't personally use it but have tried it and for certain shots it can be deadly accurate.It also completely takes the guessing out of compensating for deflection.

Buddy Hall uses what he calls tuck and roll to apply english. He lines up center ball(top,mid or bottom) and then pivots his backhand all in one motion glancing across the cue ball to apply english all while in the act of stroking.

All three are great shooters, all three get the job done.Hopefully I've explained all three styles correctly and I invite the pool gurus present to correct me if I'm wrong. Any commentary on these styles might make for a discussion. RJ

ps. there's also aim and pivot which I don't know much about.
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Troy said:
The way I see it, "tuck N roll" can too easily result in the wrong amount of spin and/or a miscue. There seems to be way too much room for error. I know Buddy Hall uses it, but he has it perfected.

Troy...~~~ Prefers the inherent accuracy of "Back-Hand"... :)
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I feel the same way. One of the problems with tuck N roll is that you still have to have a smooth stroke and most of us don't have a stroke like Buddy's.


Brian
 
recoveryjones said:
Buddy Hall uses what he calls tuck and roll to apply english. He lines up center ball(top,mid or bottom) and then pivots his backhand all in one motion glancing across the cue ball to apply english all while in the act of stroking.
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What is tucking? What is rolling?
 
APA7 said:
I feel the same way. One of the problems with tuck N roll is that you still have to have a smooth stroke and most of us don't have a stroke like Buddy's.
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I have a suspicion that most of the tuckin' n rollin' happens in the followin' through.
 
Skeezicks said:
I have a suspicion that most of the tuckin' n rollin' happens in the followin' through.
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Skeez, that's exactly what happens. It's like a swerve in your final stroke. The problem with that is if your not smooth and accurate, you run the risk of miscueing or putting too much juice on the cueball.


Brian
 
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