The Germans are Coming!!!!

I lived in Schwaebisch Hall/Crailsheim and Koblenz. I played Oberliga in Koblenz and Kreisliga bis Regionalliga (I think) in Schwaebisch Hall. I also played in many tournaments and gambled all over the country. I could always get a game :-))

I also played a lot in the Netherlands and some in Switzerland.

John
 
Guten Tag, onpocketchump

onepocketchump said:
I lived in Schwaebisch Hall/Crailsheim and Koblenz. I played Oberliga in Koblenz and Kreisliga bis Regionalliga (I think) in Schwaebisch Hall.

HiJohn,

well I play Oberliga in Hessen. When have you been here I might know you. What's you full name ? Where are you now?

Markus
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When I was in Germany I was John Collins. I played for PBC Koblenz, at least I think that was our name. :-)
 
John Collins

onepocketchump said:
When I was in Germany I was John Collins. I played for PBC Koblenz, at least I think that was our name. :-)
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Ok John, then I know you

Thank's

Markus
 
onepocketchump said:
P.S. I just worked the APA Nationals for 10 days and the lack of knowledge about pool in general was appalling. Just about the only pro player that most of the APA players could name offhand was Allison Fisher and that was only because she had a booth across the aisle. I gave away small prizes to the crowd around our contests if they could answer pool trivia. Who is the current men's world champion? No idea. Who is number 1 on the UPA tour? No idea. What does the UPA stand for? No idea? Who is number 3 on the women's tour? No idea. Number 2? Number 1? A few people knew that is Allison.

So when we talk about the future of pool it is important to know that most of the players in America's largest league could care less about the professional side of the game, who the players are or even if there is pro pool.

John
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John,
Don't forget the expression "it is from tiny acorns that mighty oaks grow". I agree as a member of an APA team that, although our team actually is quite knowledgable, a majority of the players probably don't know squat about the pro pool world, that is even true some of the highly rated players. The APA is a barroom league, many player's only concerns are the next Bud' and maybe, just maybe, an outside chance of getting to Vegas. That said, however, if pool started showing up on TV more often I'm of the opinion these people MAY start developing an interest in the pro pool world. I would hazard a guess that most league bowlers don't know who the number 1 bowler is and the same for the weekend tennis player, yet those games/sports seem to do allright.
I guess it is kind of a catch-22, nobody knows about pro pool because it isn't in the popular media and it isn't in the popular media because nobody knows about it. I think it is reflective of the APA member's interest that the pro pool tournament was replaced with an "artistic" (yawn) pool contest (I can't make myself use the term "tournament" in that context).
The other question is of course does it really matter about the success of pro pool other than to the pro players who will make more money? I know the success or non-success of pro pool won't effect my enjoyment of the game, though it's success may have the positive side effect of spawning more true pool rooms.
Just some random reactions to your post.
 
onepocketchump said:
P.S. I just worked the APA Nationals for 10 days and the lack of knowledge about pool in general was appalling. Just about the only pro player that most of the APA players could name offhand was Allison Fisher and that was only because she had a booth across the aisle. I gave away small prizes to the crowd around our contests if they could answer pool trivia. Who is the current men's world champion? No idea. Who is number 1 on the UPA tour? No idea. What does the UPA stand for? No idea? Who is number 3 on the women's tour? No idea. Number 2? Number 1? A few people knew that is Allison.

So when we talk about the future of pool it is important to know that most of the players in America's largest league could care less about the professional side of the game, who the players are or even if there is pro pool.

John
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Damnit.

Why does my team have to suck so bad. I could have walked away with some nice prizes.

Dave - Re-tooling my team for a shot at Vegas again.
 
onepocketchump said:
.....Anyway, I predict that a World Tour Rank List would have several Germans, Dutch, Taiwanese, Filipino, and Americans in the top 10-20. Which country would dominate would vary from year to year depending on who is having a good year.

John
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I agree 100%.

And if Hohmann goes on and wins this year's WPC, then I'd say that the Germans have arrived! The pair of Hohmann and Engert would be a more potent force than the dynamic duo of Efren and Django ever was!
 
Renegade said:
I agree 100%.

And if Hohmann goes on and wins this year's WPC, then I'd say that the Germans have arrived! The pair of Hohmann and Engert would be a more potent force than the dynamic duo of Efren and Django ever was!
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ahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha...........

that was a joke right???

VAP
 
Renegade said:
I agree 100%.

And if Hohmann goes on and wins this year's WPC, then I'd say that the Germans have arrived! The pair of Hohmann and Engert would be a more potent force than the dynamic duo of Efren and Django ever was!
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Truly a special kind of stupid! :rolleyes:
 
ha ha ha ha ha. Engert is not even halfway to what Busta did in his career and so does Hohmann compare to Reyes. Are you kidding just because Germans have the best players in Europe does not necessarily mean they are the best in the world. In my opinion it's between US and Philippines but I believe Filipinos is better because no matter what part of the world tournaments are held, they have consistently win and only rare occasion that somebody win in the Philippines. Taiwan is just as good but they were beaten so bad when they played the Philippines and mark this without Efren Busta and Alex.
 
**ahem** I think this would be a good time to revive this topic. Where are the naysayers now? ;)
 
Renegade said:
**ahem** I think this would be a good time to revive this topic. Where are the naysayers now? ;)
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The naysayers are still here and still have a right to be here. Congrats to Thorsten on his win. But that doesn't change the fact that the last few groups were jam-packed with Filipinos.

The Phillipines is the most dominant force in pool today, tomorrow, and for a long time to come. Germany is right behind them, but there simply aren't enough top German players to match the Filipinos. You gotta look at the statistics, dude. Manalo basically played flawless in the final, all he did was hang up a difficult combination. Thorsten missed a few shots. The final came down to the break. Manalo broke dry at critical junctures, and it cost him. And it was HILL-HILL, in case you forgot, LOL.

Are you German or something? :D
 
cuetechasaurus said:
The naysayers are still here and still have a right to be here. Congrats to Thorsten on his win. But that doesn't change the fact that the last few groups were jam-packed with Filipinos.

The Phillipines is the most dominant force in pool today, tomorrow, and for a long time to come. Germany is right behind them, but there simply aren't enough top German players to match the Filipinos. You gotta look at the statistics, dude. Manalo basically played flawless in the final, all he did was hang up a difficult combination. Thorsten missed a few shots. The final came down to the break. Manalo broke dry at critical junctures, and it cost him. And it was HILL-HILL, in case you forgot, LOL.

Are you German or something? :D
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I agree, the Filipinos still produce the best pool players in the world. Especially if you talk about depth. From what I understand what we see in the USA is just scratching the surface of the talent pool over there.
Germany does alright, but what kind of depth do they have? Even Taiwan may have more depth than Germany. We also shouldn't forget the good 'ol USA, though it would appear the USA's players lack the discipline to stay sharp (too busy hustling a living?), the USA still has great depth of talent.
Hohmann cranks himself up for these high exposure events, but does he have to get out there day-to-day and scratch out a living. I don't know, I'm asking. Travelling all the time and trying to keep the money flowing takes a toll. It develops a certain type of toughness, but it also wears just a bit on that winner's edge.
 
What about Canada:eek: :D . Alex Pagualyan is Canadian. Although he is representing the phillipines more these days. Not that I blame though, he was born there. Furthermore one country adores him, the other wouldn't even recognize him.
 
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