The N.U.T.S.

DDKoop said:
I just finished reading the press release on the main page and this looks like the start of something really good for pool. Although I will never see the bright lights of TV tables it will sure be fun trying.
Mike, Joe and everyone else involved with getting this off the ground should be commended and I truly hope the UPA gets on board because something of this magnitude can really do nothing but help the players.

Just curious to know if there is someone in mind to run this whole thing. Seems like a fairly large endeavor.

Koop
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At the moment I am running the show (Mike Janis). However, I am not doing it alone. A board/group of all the regional tour operators ( Mike Janis, Nick Prinslo, Kay Higgins and Jose "JAB" Burgos will talk, vote and decide on how to best hanle the operations for the future.

Mj
 
"...I just finished reading the press release on the main page and this looks like the start of something really good for pool...."

can someone please provide a link to the above-mentioned press release?
i've been poking around the site looking for this and can't seem to find it. tia.
 
landshark77 said:
And that is fine, BUT people can not bypass the WPBA. Pro women play on these regional tours. As someone pointed out to me most of the regionals do not have a separate woman’s division, so I say playing in PP's open event is fair, but what if one of the ones that q'ed is a WPBA touring pro. The WPBA needs to be in on this from the beginning. If not, I see another playing ban… as well as the loss of some great players on the regional tours. Both the ladies and the regional tours will suffer. I maybe making a bigger fuss than need be, but the situation needs to be addressed, IMO.
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This will in no way affect the current particiopation of women in open regional tour events. The only time a conflict may be involved is if a WPBA touring pro gains eligibility to one of the N.U.T.S. televised events. And then it's not event a problem with the NUTS. It is only a problem if the WPBA has a contract with their that excludes one of their players from participation on other televised events. If that happens we will deal with it as best possible.

Mj

Mj
 
jjinfla said:
Next question:

Is it legal? Since there is no membership application to NUTS that means there is no membership. No membership = no organization = no say in how operations are run.

So then how can people be forced to donate $2 to a non-existing organization? If I, or Gremlin, or anyone, want to play in a tournament, but care less about NUTS, then why should we be forced to donate money to them? Them being Mike Janis.

I would prefer to place the $2 on double zero.

Sure sounds like a scam to me.

And just what did TK and John DiToro say when this plan was passed by them?

Surely, Mike Janis approached all the TD's before he decided to go public so he knows what their opinion is.

I know where there is some prime swamp land near DeLand Florida that I can sell you.

Jake
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Jake, I don't like to tell people when they are wrong but you are ! Now please don't take that as a personal insult because it is not meant to be.

To start off with the membership does not currently exhist at the player level. The membership exhists at the regional tour level. The $2 collected goes directly to the funding of the N.U.T.S. programs. Currently the NUTS will be sending a player to the televised Skins game at a cost of well over $5K. This money came from somewhere.

As far as TK I did speak with him and Denise. They are still open to the idea but thaey have not decided yet. I didn't give them much time to decide. It is my understanding from them that they will vote on it at their championship event. After that they will make a decision.

I have not spoken with John Ditoro yet. So I have no clue as to what he might say.

Jake, I hope in the near future you will come to understand that the NUTS is designed to enhance cuesports and advance players to a professional level. Players will no longer just pony up an entry fee and be called a professional player. They will have to earn that status.
 
chefjeff said:
Hi Kay,

Here's what I am implying: You put aside your playing, your game, to work harder at creating things other people enjoy AND PAY FOR. Your decision is, to me, a wonderful example of helping the sport, even if it means your personal game slipped somewhat.

Sacrifice? Nah...sounds more like a good trade-off to me, but I don't know you.

I'd be interested to know your motivation for doing this, and what you expect your efforts to create.

Thanks,

Jeff Livingston
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My motivation is to help the sport. I love it that much. When my husband Tim "The Hitman" Higgins played on the Pro Tour in the early and mid 90's I traveled with him to all the events we could make and even ran some single events for the PBT. I was his practice partner, because I shot so lously(at that time) I would hook him and he'd have to really work at his game. We started this to have a place for the up and coming players, along with the want to have fun and learn more players, competitive players and all around players. This all happened when the PBT went defunk and the only place someone could play was an open event and that was where the Pros were. A lot of people (including myself) did not have a place to play between the league stuff, local tournaments and open events with Pros. So we created this for that. I travel wherever I am needed to do an event. I have been home 5 weekends this year. I am not making money at it so that is not the motive. I take $10 out of the membership fee to create a prize fund for the top eight players on the tour in each division to give them cash back. I get sponsors to give me product for the top 8 players in each division. A lot of time and money goes into this. Am I going to get rich doing this....Nope and I don't expect to. This is my motivation. I love the sport.Never could play really good only fair. Look at another post on forums about Anastasia Billiards and you will maybe understand a little bette that I do what I do and I love it.
Kay
 
MikeJanis said:
This will in no way affect the current particiopation of women in open regional tour events. The only time a conflict may be involved is if a WPBA touring pro gains eligibility to one of the N.U.T.S. televised events. And then it's not event a problem with the NUTS. It is only a problem if the WPBA has a contract with their that excludes one of their players from participation on other televised events. If that happens we will deal with it as best possible.

Mj

Mj
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Thank you Mike. I am just wondering if it would be beneficial to work with them in this early stage then to wait and see if a WPBA player makes it to the TV rounds and deal with it as best as possible then. I guess I am just a nip-it-in-the-bud kind of person. I surely don't think it would be fair to someone to pay their NUTS fees and tear thru the brackets to find out that their hard work will never pay off because they have hit a legal loop hole with an organization in which they are a member. I otherwise like this concept. :)
 
KBP said:
My motivation is to help the sport. I love it that much. When my husband Tim "The Hitman" Higgins played on the Pro Tour in the early and mid 90's I traveled with him to all the events we could make and even ran some single events for the PBT. I was his practice partner, because I shot so lously(at that time) I would hook him and he'd have to really work at his game. We started this to have a place for the up and coming players, along with the want to have fun and learn more players, competitive players and all around players. This all happened when the PBT went defunk and the only place someone could play was an open event and that was where the Pros were. A lot of people (including myself) did not have a place to play between the league stuff, local tournaments and open events with Pros. So we created this for that. I travel wherever I am needed to do an event. I have been home 5 weekends this year. I am not making money at it so that is not the motive. I take $10 out of the membership fee to create a prize fund for the top eight players on the tour in each division to give them cash back. I get sponsors to give me product for the top 8 players in each division. A lot of time and money goes into this. Am I going to get rich doing this....Nope and I don't expect to. This is my motivation. I love the sport.Never could play really good only fair. Look at another post on forums about Anastasia Billiards and you will maybe understand a little bette that I do what I do and I love it.
Kay
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Thank you, Kay, for your response...and for your hard work.

My hope for you is that you do make money, and lots of it...and are happy as can be. :)

I've started to spread the word here in town about the NUTS. I'd like to suggest that others do the same in their areas of the country. That way, when Mike [talks] to players/promoters, etc, they'll already have at least one exposure to the idea. Sometimes it takes 5 or 6 times to buy into something. We can all help in this endeavor, imho.

Jeff Livingston
 
chefjeff said:
Thank you, Kay, for your response...and for your hard work.

My hope for you is that you do make money, and lots of it...and are happy as can be. :)

I've started to spread the word here in town about the NUTS. I'd like to suggest that others do the same in their areas of the country. That way, when Mike [talks] to players/promoters, etc, they'll already have at least one exposure to the idea. Sometimes it takes 5 or 6 times to buy into something. We can all help in this endeavor, imho.

Jeff Livingston
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Spreading the word about the NUTS is extremely appreciated and needed. Please do this as much as possible. May I suggest that someone please start a discussion in as many other pool groups as possible. I suggest the following forums: RSB, InsidePool, BilliardsDigest and so on.

Any help you can give is appreciated.

Thank You,

Mike Janis
 
Mike,
I spoke with several of my players at my last stop..They were all very interested. I told them to look it over check on these post and ask questions or contact one of us and we will get answers for them. They had good things to say about it. I will continue to do so.
Kay
 
MikeJanis said:
Spreading the word about the NUTS is extremely appreciated and needed. Please do this as much as possible. May I suggest that someone please start a discussion in as many other pool groups as possible. I suggest the following forums: RSB, InsidePool, BilliardsDigest and so on.

Any help you can give is appreciated.

Thank You,

Mike Janis
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Mike
Just posted the press release on IP and with request for input. Hope this helps
Kay
 
Opionions please.....

Do you think the NUTS should be used to qualify players for other events. Something like a ranking system for the BCA 9-Ball Championships, Derby City Classic, US Open, Glass City Open and other major events until we start running our own televised events.

The benefits to the players could be something like:
Entry fees paid to the above mentioned events
Players seeded into the brackets
Hotel or Travel expenses paid


The above is just a question. Please don't derive anything from it. Your opinions and thoughts count and are very important.
 
MikeJanis said:
Opionions please.....

Do you think the NUTS should be used to qualify players for other events. Something like a ranking system for the BCA 9-Ball Championships, Derby City Classic, US Open, Glass City Open and other major events until we start running our own televised events.

The benefits to the players could be something like:
Entry fees paid to the above mentioned events
Players seeded into the brackets
Hotel or Travel expenses paid


The above is just a question. Please don't derive anything from it. Your opinions and thoughts count and are very important.
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i think thats a great idea mike.............although if you're qualifying them into an "open" tournament...........i don't think they should be seeded........but thats an entirely different subject.

but that would be a great thing..........having the national qualifier winners getting paid entry and lodging at a major tourney.......until you get the t.v. nationals up and running.

VAP
 
Joss NE 9-Ball Tour Joins the N.U.T.S.

Go NUTS Playing 9-Ball !!!

The Joss NE 9-Ball Tour joined the N.U.T.S. today.

Starting Immediately all Joss NE 9-Ball Tour events will participate in the New Unified Tour System.



I just thought evenryone should know.

Mj
 
SUPERSTAR said:
Oh yeah...one more thought.

If the top 25% are no longer allowed to play in the lower events, what does this mean for the people that use these events to supplement their income.

There are a few players that usually dominate in certain regions and have a greater chance of say finishing in the top 25%. I would assume that the income they gain on the regionals might be worth more to them, when compared to the POSSIBLE income they can achieve when compared to the fields they might encounter at the big time events at the top of the system.

Like how would they feel if they could never go back to those tournaments to make money?

SUPERSTAR
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Like their license to steal was revoked? The idea behind this is to create a grassroots system to funnel good players to the top. At the top they will have a solid round of tournaments to rely on to earn the income they desire. If they are not good enough to stay at the top then they will go back down to play again.

I had one WPBA player tell me that she deliberately loses before getting her fourth point each year so that she will never make touring pro status and can play in all the amateur tournaments she wants to. She said she makes more money winning the amateur tournaments than finishing in the middle of the pack in the WPBA events. In the NUTS system she wouldn't be able to do this as she would automatically advance by winning or placing high enough at any particular level. Or, she could go on the merry go-round and advance and decline every quarter which would be nuts. :-)

John
 
MikeJanis said:
Go NUTS Playing 9-Ball !!!

The Joss NE 9-Ball Tour joined the N.U.T.S. today.

Starting Immediately all Joss NE 9-Ball Tour events will participate in the New Unified Tour System.



I just thought evenryone should know.

Mj
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looks like N. U. T. S. has hit the runway and is gathering flight speed,,,

CONGRATULATION !
 
Jack Flanagan said:
looks like N. U. T. S. has hit the runway and is gathering flight speed,,,

CONGRATULATION !
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Please fasten your seatbelts and put your chairs in the upright position.

We take off this weekend at the Planet-Pool and the Joss Tour events.

Mj
 
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