The Pool Room, Marietta, GA

[pooltchr]

Seems some people just look for things to complain about. The Pool Room's in Marietta and Duluth are two of the finest rooms I have been in. Most areas in the country don't even have one room that compares...Atlanta has TWO!!! I have heard people on these forums talking about driving an hour to find a room that has a few bar boxes. John, if they don't like 'em down there, we would welcome a room like that up our way!
(By the way, congratulations on the new room. When you told me it was going to be even better than the first, I had my doubts...but you did it!)
Steve

 

[thebestpoolroom]

Seems some people just look for things to complain about. The Pool Room's in Marietta and Duluth are two of the finest rooms I have been in. Most areas in the country don't even have one room that compares...Atlanta has TWO!!! I have heard people on these forums talking about driving an hour to find a room that has a few bar boxes. John, if they don't like 'em down there, we would welcome a room like that up our way!
(By the way, congratulations on the new room. When you told me it was going to be even better than the first, I had my doubts...but you did it!)
Steve

Hi Steve,

Thank you for the kind words. We really appreciate it.

Thanks,

John

 

[thebestpoolroom]

Didn't Breedlove or someone else at the qualifier use a lint roller on the table?

Yep, George started it and some other players followed.

 

[Southdakotakid]

If nobody likes to play on slow cloth because they missed more than the other cloth. I ran 6 racks and ran 5 pack, 2 times. how strong is that. I own a pool room in south dakota and i am going to buy a diamand with slow cloth. just for the good practice. I think playing on a slow cloth would make a difference in the game! you have to play alot stronger.

 

[ScottW]

If nobody likes to play on slow cloth because they missed more than the other cloth. I ran 6 racks and ran 5 pack, 2 times. how strong is that. I own a pool room in south dakota and i am going to buy a diamand with slow cloth. just for the good practice. I think playing on a slow cloth would make a difference in the game! you have to play alot stronger.

Heh, if that's who I think it is - congrats on your tour card.

 

[thebestpoolroom]

If nobody likes to play on slow cloth because they missed more than the other cloth. I ran 6 racks and ran 5 pack, 2 times. how strong is that. I own a pool room in south dakota and i am going to buy a diamand with slow cloth. just for the good practice. I think playing on a slow cloth would make a difference in the game! you have to play alot stronger.

Hi S.V.

I saw you played that last match, you could have collected an additional 5 Gs if you had another game in the match.

John

 

[macguy]

Actually, Mr. Trudeau was not happy with the cloth balling up either. He is in the process of contracting with a company to make their own cloth for the tour that has a heavier nap but doesn't ball up.
I myself am praying for this tour to be a success and if I have to sacrifice playing on any cloth to support it, I will. Pool needs our support, not someone knocking every little thing.
If you don't like the cloth, or the balls, or the tables or their rules...then start your own $10,000,000 tour!

That's the dopiest thing I ever heard, don't you want them to get it right? There is no need to reinvent the wheel there are clothes out there stock that will fill the bill. They are just trying to create a mystique about their equipment that is not necessary, just play the tournaments and that will be enough. KT is now going to tell people who have been in the cloth business for more then a century how to make cloth.

 

[Gunn_Slinger]

That's the dopiest thing I ever heard, don't you want them to get it right? There is no need to reinvent the wheel there are clothes out there stock that will fill the bill. They are just trying to create a mystique about their equipment that is not necessary, just play the tournaments and that will be enough. KT is now going to tell people who have been in the cloth business for more then a century how to make cloth.

That's like saying we have the Model T lets stop making any new type of cars.
Talk about the dopiest.
New cloth sounds exciting.
have a pleasant day
mrs.g

 

[macguy]

That's like saying we have the Model T lets stop making any new type of cars.
Talk about the dopiest.
New cloth sounds exciting.
have a pleasant day
mrs.g

This isn't like selling his book, he isn't going to be able to BS people into buying his cloth just because he says it's the best. If it's crap people are going to say it's crap and he won't be able to sell it which is his intent. He can't make any money off selling someone else's cloth so he has to try to convince people IPT cloth, chalk, what ever is the best and it is not going to be as easy as he thinks. Your analogy is ridiculous in this case.

 

[Timberly]

This isn't like selling his book, he isn't going to be able to BS people into buying his cloth just because he says it's the best. If it's crap people are going to say it's crap and he won't be able to sell it which is his intent. He can't make any money off selling someone else's cloth so he has to try to convince people IPT cloth, chalk, what ever is the best and it is not going to be as easy as he thinks. Your analogy is ridiculous in this case.

I don't think calling her analogy ridiculous was really called for. Macguy, I see your point, but can you not see hers also? She does make a good point. I was away from pool for about 8 yrs and during that time there was an explosion of new products brought onto the market. I've been back around pool consistently for a yr now & I'm still not up to speed on all the new products. However, prior to all of these things, I was able to play pool. Now there's just more products out there to enhance my pool playing experience, if I choose to use them. We have choices in America and we will not all be made to buy a new cloth.

 

[macguy]

I don't think calling her analogy ridiculous was really called for. Macguy, I see your point, but can you not see hers also? She does make a good point. I was away from pool for about 8 yrs and during that time there was an explosion of new products brought onto the market. I've been back around pool consistently for a yr now & I'm still not up to speed on all the new products. However, prior to all of these things, I was able to play pool. Now there's just more products out there to enhance my pool playing experience, if I choose to use them. We have choices in America and we will not all be made to buy a new cloth.

I was just saying the intent to make a new cloth is solely for the sake of it being different not a quest for the greatest cloth the world has ever seen, he could care less about that. He needs something he can claim is unique so it can be marketed, his special IPT blend so to speak and it won't be easy. I don't see pool room owners buying cloth the customers will hate and that will be the case with this slow army blanket cloth KT has been talking about. No one wants to play on that stuff we got away from that garbage years ago and now he wants to resurrect it? It may serve their purpose in their tournaments but it will be un-sellable in general to the rest of the public and a failure as a product.

 

[cueman]

Since most don't like the new cloth, I will give a positive note. I love it. I wish all would go back to slow cloth. The shots go where you shoot them. When you miss it is not because the balls were sliding. The english does what it is supposed to. I do miss the Simonis on the break, but after that I am all for slower cloth. When Simonis started becoming popular all the top players hated it becuse of the balls sticking and sliding and them missing shots that they should have made. Safety play is easier on slower cloth. Balls pocket easier on double shimmed tables like the slower cloth is on at the Pool Room. I thought I had lost more of my stroke than I had actually lost. I can do all kinds of things with the Cueball that I had been unable to do in recent years playing on Simonis. There are some better slower cloth that does not ball up as bad and I hope the IPT finds the right mix.
All I can say is "Thanks John, You have restored my confidence that I have not totally lost my stroke."
Chris
www.cuesmith.com
www.internationalcuemakers.com

 

[pooltchr]

I. No one wants to play on that stuff .

There sure seems to be a lot of players who want to play in the IPT and don't care what kind of cloth they use. If you have the game, you can adjust to any environment. If you don't, you don't.

If I had the chance to play on the IPT, I would be very happy to have the same equipment in the room where I play so I could get familiar with it.

Also, as was pointed out, there are only 12 tables at TPR with this cloth. Players can choose which tables to play on. I really don't see what the big deal is.
Steve

 

[Jersey]

All Good...

Since most don't like the new cloth, I will give a positive note. I love it. I wish all would go back to slow cloth. The shots go where you shoot them. When you miss it is not because the balls were sliding. The english does what it is supposed to. I do miss the Simonis on the break, but after that I am all for slower cloth. When Simonis started becoming popular all the top players hated it becuse of the balls sticking and sliding and them missing shots that they should have made. Safety play is easier on slower cloth. Balls pocket easier on double shimmed tables like the slower cloth is on at the Pool Room. I thought I had lost more of my stroke than I had actually lost. I can do all kinds of things with the Cueball that I had been unable to do in recent years playing on Simonis. There are some better slower cloth that does not ball up as bad and I hope the IPT finds the right mix.
All I can say is "Thanks John, You have restored my confidence that I have not totally lost my stroke."
Chris
www.cuesmith.com
www.internationalcuemakers.com

I'd have to say I agree...I have since played on the "New" cloth at The Pool Room, and like I said initially it "Rolled" well, if they could just solve the piling problem, it would be a great cloth...well, now those tables are brushed/vacumed daily...the piling problem is becoming less and less of an issue, and with good upkeep they play very well...played all day Wednesday and liked the results...balls go where you send them, saftey play is more precise, the cueball bites when you apply english...requires a little more stroke than the The Championship cloth, but once you figure that out, it plays great...

 

[runscott]

I'd have to say I agree...I have since played on the "New" cloth at The Pool Room, and like I said initially it "Rolled" well, if they could just solve the piling problem, it would be a great cloth...well, now those tables are brushed/vacumed daily...the piling problem is becoming less and less of an issue, and with good upkeep they play very well...played all day Wednesday and liked the results...balls go where you send them, saftey play is more precise, the cueball bites when you apply english...requires a little more stroke than the The Championship cloth, but once you figure that out, it plays great...

Agreed. Sean - nice meeting you yesterday. I prefer the new cloth to the Championship, but don't like the way it holds those Sardo dimples from the ITP. Fortunately, most of the double-shim tables have the new cloth, but there are still a few at the end for those who like the faster tables.

 

[Jersey]

Agreed. Sean - nice meeting you yesterday. I prefer the new cloth to the Championship, but don't like the way it holds those Sardo dimples from the ITP. Fortunately, most of the double-shim tables have the new cloth, but there are still a few at the end for those who like the faster tables.

Nice to meet you also...maybe we can run a few racks next week...haven't had the opportunity to play with you yet...always looking for a challenge

 

[rackemfr9ball]

I have to respectfully disagree that there are no legitimate grounds for criticism of the IPT's current cloth selection. It seems extremely disingenous to publicly say all is perfect with their current selection simply for fear of being accused of negativity. It is a simple technical choice, and, until the IPT can find a slow napped cloth that does not exhibit the standard technical problems of the current brands it is simply the wrong choice. (Aside from the pilling problem there are the issues of faster rates of wear, much less consistent speed over time, development of flat spots and the higher absorbtion rate of moisture in humid climates.)

I appreciate your desire for everyone to show fealty to the IPT, and have no desire to criticise hard-working room owners and local tournament directors, but please note two things:

Firstly Simonis have been a consistent sponsor of multiple different Pro tours and events throughout the last 10 years or so. Are they not owed some loyalty from this dedication to our sport? They even developed 860 as a specific blend of cloth at the direct request of the 9 Ball pro players of the time. (Oddly enough it was also done to slow the cue ball down compared to their 760 blend popular at the time.)

Secondly before complaining people here are being negative about the IPT remeber that this board is populated mostly by amatuer players. Simonis make a product enjoyed thousands (If not millions) of such players, not just the small percentage lucky enough to compete in the IPT. As a regular amateur player I would be extremely upset if my local rooms started replacing their Simonis with inferior grades of napped cloth in order to comply with the wishes of a remote Pro tour organization in it's infancy. Us amateurs have to live with these tables every day, not just for a one-off tournament.

Simonis should not have been mentioned, they make a worsted fabric and the IPT supports a woolen. I had spoke with a producer/organizer before the IPT went full speed ahead, they were interested in trying Titan 21 oz cloth which is a great cloth, still pills like any woolen but not NEARLY as much from what im told (from installers). Perhaps Mr Siegel can try Championship Titan.

Champ Billiards

 

[macguy]

There sure seems to be a lot of players who want to play in the IPT and don't care what kind of cloth they use. If you have the game, you can adjust to any environment. If you don't, you don't.

If I had the chance to play on the IPT, I would be very happy to have the same equipment in the room where I play so I could get familiar with it.

Also, as was pointed out, there are only 12 tables at TPR with this cloth. Players can choose which tables to play on. I really don't see what the big deal is.
Steve

The point is, as a marketable product it is pretty much worthless. 99.9999999999999999999 % of the public don't and will never play on the IPT they will not want to go into their local pool room and find that kind cloth on the tables not that any pool room owner will be putting it on to start with. Who is he going to sell the stuff to? Same with the chalk and cues he will most likely have made overseas? Do you think we are having any kind of shortage of cheap imported cues and he needs to pick up the slack? Some of what he has promised the players they will be making money from just won't happen.

Now with his players sitting waiting to play with only one tournament scheduled in the next eight months and the rest of the schedule such a jammed up mess that a player with a job will all but have to quit their job just to play, this thing looks more and more like a fiasco about to happen. I didn't really at first, but I now see where some of these players may actually end up getting hurt from this thing. Forget about success, just avoiding an utter and complete disaster will be a miracle for the IPT. And yes Colin, I will eat my words if next year this thing still exists what so ever.

Except for his book, everything KT has ever been involved with in his life has been a complete failure, up to as recently as only two years ago, when they were hauling away his possessions to cover his fines, just look at his history. This is the guy professional pool has hitched it's star to? He is not the genius many like to paint him to be and this IPT plan he has masterminded may very well crash and burn like everything else he has done. But then again I guess I am just being negative as usual, It's hard not to be unless you are a blind follower though.

 

[MikeJanis]

Thanks for the compliment.. Very appreciated and I had a great time working while the IPT was going on, almost too quiet but for those who decided to let loose and drink with me it was a blast!!!!
Good Luck with all the other tournaments and games you play.
>Charity

 

[macguy]

Since most don't like the new cloth, I will give a positive note. I love it. I wish all would go back to slow cloth. The shots go where you shoot them. When you miss it is not because the balls were sliding. The english does what it is supposed to. I do miss the Simonis on the break, but after that I am all for slower cloth. When Simonis started becoming popular all the top players hated it becuse of the balls sticking and sliding and them missing shots that they should have made. Safety play is easier on slower cloth. Balls pocket easier on double shimmed tables like the slower cloth is on at the Pool Room. I thought I had lost more of my stroke than I had actually lost. I can do all kinds of things with the Cueball that I had been unable to do in recent years playing on Simonis. There are some better slower cloth that does not ball up as bad and I hope the IPT finds the right mix.
All I can say is "Thanks John, You have restored my confidence that I have not totally lost my stroke."
Chris
www.cuesmith.com
www.internationalcuemakers.com

If it's the kind of cloth I am thinking about it is awful in the pool room. I used to use that kind of stuff when I owned a pool room years ago and it would get full of small nicks and holes, wares poorly, as well as it stretches out and gets loose after a while. We often would have to take the rails off and re-stretch the cloth or you would have cloth rolling up in front of the finger tips of your bridge hand. That's what I was referring to not wanting to go back to that crap. No pool room owner or home table owner wants that cloth regardless what KT thinks.