The Professionals Luck Vs Skill

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pool and pro pool have really big problems. suppose you were in a world where all the resturants only had chicken on the menu? if you love chicken then you'd be in heaven, but if you don't----- well your stuck. what i'm getting at is all the pros play on tour since 1979 is 9-ball and nothing but 9-ball. this is the single biggest problem with pool. don't just take my word for it, check out past interviews with the likes of allen hopkins saying "9-ball is for morons" it's true, the single most important part of 9-ball is the break and that's mostly LUCK!!! the point is this, we lump the word "pro pool" with 9-ball, and that's a fu--ing shame! i long for the days when pool was a skillfull game and not trash, made for t.v. i say, if straight pool is too slow for television which i believe it is, and 9-ball is for mental retards, which it is, then let's put on the game that most pool players are familiar with already, a game which is deep and has many levels, like snooker and straight pool combined, and is faster than straight, and smarter than 9, let's have 8-ball as THEE game, for the next 20 years. this 9-ball has got to go, if we are to consider "pool" skillfull.
 
Bernie. all pool games have a degree of luck. Nine ball has alot of luck also, but guys like Strickland play so superior that thier skill level practicaly negates luck. Hance 5 U.S. Opens 6 World titles and every other title under the sun. IMHO Strickland is the most talented human being GOD ever buil. If you don't think so just watch him sometime. AWSOME IS AN UNDERSTATMENT
 
Despite my forum name, I enjoy playing 8-ball as much as anyone. The two issues I see with turning it into THE TV tournament game are 1) which rules do you want to use, and 2) the saftey battles that can arise in well played 8-ball can go on for much longer than what you typically see in a 9-ball match.

As to the issue of which rules to use, I think making 8-ball a pro game might be helpful in reducing the number of 'local' rules that we all see as we travel from place to place....seems like no one plays by the same set of rules for 8-ball. Since local and amatuer players tend to gravitate toward what ever rules the pros use, that may acctualy help standardize the 8-ball game over time.

As for the possibility of long, drawn out saftey battles, as much as some of us my find that interesting, it's not very TV friendly.
 
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8-ball?
Puleez. If you had 8-ball all the time now, Efren would win half of them. You put 15-balls on the table, Efren's the favorite.
8-ball is way too slow too. God forbid if you saw Archer-Frank at the LA Expo in 2002. It was like watching grass grow.
Just play 10-ball.
 
joesph you are correct!!! if they switched to 8-ball Efren would win most if not all of the tournamets!! He is without a doubt the best 8balla in the world today and imo the best of all time!
 
King Cueball said:
joesph you are correct!!! if they switched to 8-ball Efren would win most if not all of the tournamets!! He is without a doubt the best 8balla in the world today and imo the best of all time!
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He won the first world 8-ball he played on. He didn't even know the rules, he had to ask.
I remember on his quest for the second world 8 ( he won back to back then lost to Medina in the finals the year after) he was playing Varner in the final 8. Varner broke and scratched. Efren grabs the cueball, places it in the kitchen and shoots a ball in, in the kitchen. FOUL!!!!:D
 
Hey joe do you have any Matches of efren playing 8 on tape?
 
King Cueball said:
Hey joe do you have any Matches of efren playing 8 on tape?
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Yup, Efren against Carter in the finals 95.
Efren-Wetch finals in 96.
Efren against Griffis in the LA Expo Invitational in 2001.
 
intresting to hear your thoughts. as far as efren winning half of the 8-ball tournaments, he would not. the phillipeeno, pardon my spelling are no longer the greatest pool players on earth. that honor goes to the germans. germany has the goods. thomas engert with a high run of 490 in straight pool! ralf souquet the straight pool champion of the world. oliver ortmann former straight pool champion. thorston hoemann winner of the new jersey straight pool championship 2003. the list goes on and on. if your great at straight, then your great at 8. i still say 9-ball is 90% luck, no other cue sport has that much luck. and as far as strickland being the greatest pool player ever, very very very very far from it! very far from it. his position is quite suspect. his shootmaking makes up for poor position and lack of strategy. rock on long live cuesports.
 
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intresting to hear your thoughts. as far as efren winning half of the 8-ball tournaments, he would not. the phillipeeno, pardon my spelling are no longer the greatest pool players on earth. that honor goes to the germans. germany has the goods. thomas engert with a high run of 490 in straight pool! ralf souquet the straight pool champion of the world. oliver ortmann former straight pool champion. thorston hoemann winner of the new jersey straight pool championship 2003. the list goes on and on. if your great at straight, then your great at 8. i still say 9-ball is 90% luck, no other cue sport has that much luck. and as far as strickland being the greatest pool player ever, very very very very far from it! very far from it. his position is quite suspect. his shootmaking makes up for poor position and lack of strategy. rock on long live cuesports.
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Efren won 3 world 8, Busta won one, Medina won 1 and Strickland won it the year Bustamante and Efren had to play in the Asian games and did not show up.
Efren won the first straight pool tournament he played in. He ran 136 balls. Finished second to Kaizer and had a high run of 140+.
I still say you put 15 balls on the table, Efren wins a good number of them. Nick Varner would be really tough on 8-ball as well.
 
I saw Jose Parica playing 8 ball for $50 a game and run "8" racks...then his opponent asked him if he would play for less money, of course, Jose said yes, and they played a short race to 8 for $200.
Jose then ran another "5" racks before
"MY FRIEND" shot a ball.
MY FRIEND ran two racks and Jose proceeded to run out the remaining games!!!!!
 
ajrack said:
I saw Jose Parica playing 8 ball for $50 a game and run "8" racks...then his opponent asked him if he would play for less money, of course, Jose said yes, and they played a short race to 8 for $200.
Jose then ran another "5" racks before
"MY FRIEND" shot a ball.
MY FRIEND ran two racks and Jose proceeded to run out the remaining games!!!!!
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Awesome, awesome.
I heard Jose ran 12 racks on barbox 9-ball too.
 
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