The social player is the key

The bar I play at has free play on 8 Valley 7-footers. The owner only put the tables in because he had lots of extra room, got a great deal on the tables and thought it would bring in the customers. The problem is that pool players don't buy anything, not even a beer. He tried a weekly 9-ball tournament and added $100 to the $10 entry. It regularly drew 16 players...and sold three drinks...total. I suspect he'll reduce the table count to 2 or 3 tables within a year.




Attend some local school board meetings where they discuss the budget. After we've eliminated art classes, music classes, history classes and more than half of the after-school activities...let's add pool! Dream on.

I don't mean to be a buzz kill on your ideas, but we've got to work within reality. It's as though I challenged SVB to a 9-ball match, race to 25 and he gets the breaks. I probably couldn't even win that in my dreams.

What about a compromise? Having a couple of tables with pool being free, but the players have to buy at least one drink if they want to stick around and occupy the tables for others longer than 15 minutes.

Regarding the accessibility to youth, it doesn't necessarily have to be schools. Most kids would just fight with cues and steal balls anyway. What about more tables in youth centers, fast foods, summer camps and other places kids and teens usually stick around? Or even dedicated "mini-poolhalls" built primarily for young people, with a few cheap tables, music, food and non-alchoholic beverages, plus beer for adult visitors?
 
The room owner is the center of the pool universe

We can talk all day about the best demographic for pool but if a room owner doesn't want to try and attract it, its just not happening.
 
I'm not nearly as concerned about who is going to play pool, but rather will pool be played.
My current pool hall, now renamed a sports bar and grill, has 16 GC tables (and that's down from the original 18 tables). In a year, or two, I see the place going to a handful of bar tables and a dance floor. The only thing the place will need after that is an instructor to teach competitive drinking.
The future is bar size tables. They're cheaper, take up less room, easier to clean, and can turn a profit quicker. The only place you'll see a 4 and a half by 9 will be in somebody's basement.
Sad, but true. :frown:

Lamentable, Tramp. If all that was left were 7 footers I think I might have to give the game up. I certainly wouldn't play nearly as often. I don't have a table at home. I like the fraternity of the poolroom and the atmosphere. I have mentioned this before that I am lucky to have 4 poolrooms within an hours drive of my home with 9 foot Gold Crowns and or Diamonds. None of them are sports bars. One of these I fear will be going away shortly. The other 3 are very healthy. Maybe you should move to the Philly area.
 
Because without something at the top to aspire to, to reach for, to win, to make all the time and money spent worth it, there first needs to be organization, standards, accountability, professionalism, integrity, and respect. Otherwise, even if everyone on earth played pool, it will never become more than a game people play.

This is absolutely true. I played a really strong game at the age of 14-16, and was certainly only getting better. Began playing at about the age of 6 or so. I always tried hanging around the more skilled players growing up. Grady, Pete Horn, and some others along the way that would always frequent the local hall. But during this time I also realized all of the struggles about every top player I met had. Obviously going to college, gaining a good career etc... was certainly much more attractive than what I would have had to look forward to in Billiards life. It is certainly true things need to be better at the top to keep the interest of young aspiring players (in much larger numbers).

It all works hand in hand though. Improvements need to be made in all areas, not just one.
 
We can talk all day about the best demographic for pool but if a room owner doesn't want to try and attract it, its just not happening.

Much can be made in the area of direct face-to-face education of room owners. If my friends and I can encourage local owners to at least try something new and give them support, imagine what the influential players could do, pros included. Even certain people from organizations like WPA, BCA or APA could spend some of their time travelling around and talking to both the existing and potential bar/poolroom owners. Current owners who are mostly successful in their business could support and give advice to new owners inexperienced in the world of pool (in distant parts of the country or globe if they don't want competition next door :rolleyes: ). Ultimately, there are many pool enthusiasts who own a room or are thinking about opening one. We as a community have an obligation to help them out whenever we can. More owners need to rise among our own ranks.

We might have many disagreements, we don't need to like each other, but as far as the future of this sport is concerned, we're all on the same side. Global pool community has to stand united, top to bottom, if we want to float back to the surface.
 
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Much can be made in the area of direct face-to-face education of room owners. If my friends and I can encourage local owners to at least try something new and give them support, imagine what the influential players could do, pros included. Even certain people from organizations like WPA, BCA or APA could spend some of their time travelling around and talking to both the existing and potential bar/poolroom owners. Current owners who are mostly successful in their business could support and give advice to new owners inexperienced in the world of pool (in distant parts of the country or globe if they don't want competition next door :rolleyes: ). Ultimately, there are many pool enthusiasts who own a room or are thinking about opening one. We as a community have an obligation to help them out whenever we can. More owners need to rise among our own ranks.

We might have many disagreements, we don't need to like each other, but as far as the future of this sport is concerned, we're all on the same side. Global pool community has to stand united, top to bottom, if we want to float back to the surface.

I don't disagree with anything you've said but...the organizations you mention aren't set up to be concerned about Amateur Pool. They leave that up to the amateur league organizations. If you look for anything good to come out of league play look at who is doing what for the sport. I can tell you what youre going to find I would just like to see if you know who it is.

Yes pros could do more, but they also need financial backing. Pool is simple and made up of a lot of mom and pops businesses who are governed by one rule. IF it doesn't work out financially then it goes away. Anything that works must pay for itself and that's the bottom line.
 
When discussing the present situation and future of pool, everyone talks about TV, commercials, sponsors and live shows, while this issue is usually overlooked. Getting pool in the mainstream media can surely help, but I don't think it alone can provide the pool community the necessary boost to become a globally popular and respected sport once again. I'll be straight-up and honest: to the general population watching pool is boring, and this includes a large number of actual pool players as well. I mean, the mainstream doesn't take this sport seriously, the average Joe wouldn't even consider it a sport nowadays. It's become just a fun bar game most people can't play properly.

Broadcasting pool on popular TV programs to a population like that won't be especially productive. Has anyone ever thought of a different, completely opposite approach? To regenerate and resurrect the elite pool community, including pro pool, to bring the money, numbers and sponsors back to this sport, why don't we start at the bottom: with the social players and the bangers?

Just to make myself clear... By "social player" I mean people who go out with friends, usually to a bar, and play pool just for fun a few times per month. They don't know much about the game, and they don't feel competitive, they play it simply to pass the time.

A "banger", on the other hand, would be a more serious and experienced player, who can often be much more competitive, but has little or no formal knowledge about the game. Bangers love pool, some of them tend to play several times a week, almost like dedicated "legit" players, but their playing style and technique consists solely of what they've picked up while playing other people. Most notable characteristics include hitting the balls hard to get slops, poor CB control and pattern choice, little knowledge of defense, but their straight-up accuracy can sometimes be on par with intermediate legit players.

Now, you might be wondering about the benefits of investing in those classes of players. But the truth is, the social player and the banger are the workhorse of the pool community. They are the manpower which keeps the cue and table business running. They supply bars, pool halls, leagues and many tournaments. Most advanced players and pros have arisen from their ranks.

So do the math. If we concentrate our resources on increasing the global number of social players and bangers five times, that means around five times more money for pool industry and leagues. It also means five times more young talented players who decide to take up pool seriously. Larger numbers and more money lead to media interest and sponsors. It won't solve all the issues with pool overnight, but it could be a turning point.

In order to bring the highest, most elite aspect of pool to its former glory, why don't we start with the "least serious" form of the game?

Pool is not a professional sport. It is an amateur sport played by casual players as you call them pretty much entirely. The league player is probably the most serious players. If you talk to them most will tell you the league is what introduced them to pool.

Few will have even been to a real pool room, ever seen a tournament or could tell you the name of one top player beyond Mosconi and fats. What you are saying is what is already exists.
 
I'm as social as they come. Drop by my pool room, I beg your pardon, my sports bar and grill, and I'll buy you a beer and play you some cheap One Pocket. Damn cheap.
It's just my way of saying thanks to the game we all love. :smile:

I appreciate the offer but I am not sure that is possible because nowhere in your avatar does it say where you are located. I am not sure why so many AZBers do not take the time to fill out their location in their avatar. :confused::confused:
Maybe there would be more people getting together to play pool if everyone here had an idea where everyone else was located by simply filling in your displayed member info.
 
Big issue is that if people start to play in bars, they start at 21 (or at most 18). Many, if not most, players that play in bigger tournaments started out much younger.

The need to start to get people into pool to go for the levels of golf, baseball, etc... is to start them young, in places where all ages can go to and play. Starting in a bar at 21 with a bunch of people that teach them incomplete or outright wrong rules and where they play on crappy equipment is starting them on the wrong path.
 
Big issue is that if people start to play in bars, they start at 21 (or at most 18). Many, if not most, players that play in bigger tournaments started out much younger.

The need to start to get people into pool to go for the levels of golf, baseball, etc... is to start them young, in places where all ages can go to and play. Starting in a bar at 21 with a bunch of people that teach them incomplete or outright wrong rules and where they play on crappy equipment is starting them on the wrong path.

You are so right. There is pool in bars but that is not where the real pool scene is. You can't learn real pool in a bar. Players must start younger than 18 to really learn the game. Old story is that pool rooms are dying so we must make an effort on an individual basis. I keep a milk crate in the trunk of my car for when I take my 7 year old granddaughter to the poolroom.
 
Big issue is that if people start to play in bars, they start at 21 (or at most 18). Many, if not most, players that play in bigger tournaments started out much younger.

The need to start to get people into pool to go for the levels of golf, baseball, etc... is to start them young, in places where all ages can go to and play. Starting in a bar at 21 with a bunch of people that teach them incomplete or outright wrong rules and where they play on crappy equipment is starting them on the wrong path.

We already discussed that part above, that's why some of us suggested more tables in youth centers, small poolrooms/fast foods with music geared towards minors and younger people, even ideas about pool in some schools. Countries where minors can't legally enter bars are at a disadvantage so they need to compensate.
 
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