K, problem here is, it may not be "razor" thin but it's thin and you're a good distance away so hitting softly is not going to be high-percentage. You're simply relying on the equipment a little too much. Secondly, you NEED english if you're taking this approach otherwise, you're running right into the 2-ball which may not be the worst thing in the world but you're leaving your position to chance.
If you look at the play on the 9 and extend the path of the cue-ball toward the lower-right corner, you see that it will inevitably run into something, splitting up the two balls, leaving your opponent long with a 2-ball on the other side of the table. I think it's worth the risk.
Good points, but on the other side this is a typical shot to be expected following a break in 9 ball. This can be a good stroke shot where the CB does not slowly drift down table towards the one. Speed with kill works quite well here to ensure accuracy in position (without going around the table) and shot making. I find this shot often though many times the one ball is at the other end of the table.
Like other shots, it really depends on comfort. You shot is a very good option though knowing he skill level of your oponent should be considered. Nothing worse than safing out to a shot makers delight or a good kick artists can bury you worse.
the shot on the '1' Ball is extremely thin, pretty much to the point where to make the '1' Ball you have to lose control of the cue ball.
can this shot be hit with some type of spin/english that would kill the cueball off the rail and possibly hold it near the middle of table for the '2' Ball? or would you risk going up and down the table, hoping none of the other balls gets in the way and you end up with a shot on the '2'? or do you just play safe from the get go?
If I was you judging from the situations/questions you post, You should play a two rail safe leaving the one center table on the opposite end rail.
For those that want to go around the table, lets play some. LOL
I'd prefer a low left slider IF I could keep the c/b at that end. If I go to far the 9 is definately in the way for position on the three.
A low right slider could work leaving the c/b on the right side of the two. Then you have a clear path for shape on the three.
The only problem with both shots is a fair amount of swerve, so you'll have to compensate a tad when you aim.
Depending on table conditions I may opt for the two rail safe. The 9 can be played straight carom or rail first with the c/b but if you hit under the nine the c/b may well scratch in the corner.That's what I'd be looking at before I made my decision.
I have a question DCP. You post these situations, and that's fine. Others learn from examples posted here as well. However after you start a thread you rarely ever reply. Why is that?
I think it's on the rude side. You never come back with a follow up. We have no clue if any of this helps you at all. Possibly this is just a game or exercise or something you enjoy, if so tell us. HELLO are you out there?
Personally I think you should get away from that table. You know, the one with all bad rolls. Get out and play someone and learn from their good play, bad play or whatever. You should learn something from every shot you or they shoot, good or bad. BTW, Letting the cue ball fly around the table is rarely a good option.
Why not? The shot on the nine looks like it's in play! The shot on the 1 is very difficult and since you have a long and thin hit, controlling the cue-ball won't be easy and that 2 is tough to get to. You can ride the nine, send the 1 two rails in the lower-right corner and likely leave your opponent long, tough and possibly safe.
Re: Table layouts not showing in posts
Both the new CueTable or the old WeiTable are interactive shockwave program. They do take up little memory space. I have been looking for ways to reduce that in the past few updates. It's recommended to post just CueTable url data in posts.
Why not? The shot on the nine looks like it's in play! The shot on the 1 is very difficult and since you have a long and thin hit, controlling the cue-ball won't be easy and that 2 is tough to get to. You can ride the nine, send the 1 two rails in the lower-right corner and likely leave your opponent long, tough and possibly safe.
I agree with your assessment of this particular layout. Carom to the 9-ball, knock the 1-ball up table. Reward to risk ratio is pretty high.
But, I think DCP was really trying to get a feel for how to get from the one to the two, since most of his questions are the "how do I run out 1 through 9" variety.
Re: Table layouts not showing in posts
Both the new CueTable or the old WeiTable are interactive shockwave program. They do take up little memory space. I have been looking for ways to reduce that in the past few updates. It's recommended to post just CueTable url data in posts.
I agree with your assessment of this particular layout. Carom to the 9-ball, knock the 1-ball up table. Reward to risk ratio is pretty high.
But, I think DCP was really trying to get a feel for how to get from the one to the two, since most of his questions are the "how do I run out 1 through 9" variety.
Keith McCready has posted and wrote about this shot a few times. Kill it with inside. I can't recall what he calls it. The dippy do?
And I think the was the shot is drawn, the cueball has to be at least sliding, so you have to hit it low. So, swerve is heavily in play. You have to get the "feels" for this shot, as Keith would say.
On slow cloth, you probably can get away with center ball.
I think Keith would shoot this with straight inside, slow rolling it, just as I would. The draw will just make it curve. I'd shoot very slow with a ton of right. I shouldn't be telling y'all this stuff, cause it's just toooo easy. You use a lot more spin and a lot less speed with a long follow through, the cueball tries to curve before it leaves your stroke and rolls straight afterward. Use a lot of spin. The spin doesn't come off that much because their's no draw pulling it off. Aim for maximum deflection and no curve.
It's really no harder than if the cueball was half that distance from the 1.
I hope noone reads this stuff. Their seem to be a lot of good players that don't understand how to do this. I think I may be even better than I thought I was, but I guess that's probably not possible.
um.. no on one thinks about banking it between the 6 and 7? looks like it goes to me with built in position and a reasonable chance at getting safe if you miss... surely someone addressed this and i just missed it?
This is not that thin of a cut. Just lag the ball with alot of low left, it will swerve, hit the OB thickly and throw it in. Cueball goes 2 rails and either you get a shot in the same corner or the opposite corner, depending on the speed. Maybe I am visualizing this shot on a pool table differently than everyone else, but it doesn't look that thin.
I set this out up and experimented a bit tonight...the table was pretty fast. I think I might have screwed up the setup a bit. There was enough angle so you can just drag it and go 2 rails comfortably. Seeing the layout on a real table, I think that's the highest percentage way to get out here (for me at least). I found that I usually ended up a bit out of line on the 3, but it was still pretty easy to get out.
I tried going 4 rails the way I diagrammed, but when I set it up, it looked a lot harder than in the wei diagram lol. After seeing the layout on an actual table, I wouldn't even consider playing it this way. The following was much easier...which makes me think I set the 3 up in the wrong spot...cause this looks pretty freaking impossible in the wei translation. It kind of looked like the below...but it didn't look all messed up on the actual table. I made this position 3/4 times...and I suck. With the first shot available, or the inside english shot, I wouldn't consider this shot either though...much harder than necessary...not a good option.
I set it up also and played it with IS and then with OS english and kept the CB for the 2 ball next just off the bottom rail. W/IS I could hit the ball with better speed. OS was a little slower shot but still worked quite well. Tried it on a Brunswich w/860.
So there are many ways to play it. Going around the table does work but even though I play some 3-cushion, it is still a good chance for error in my case.
In any event, I would play this shot to make it. It is just another 9 ball shot that comes up after the break. Too many times I've seen players duck with a safe only to lose a game when their oponent makes a good defensive kick - there are still many balls on the table that any kick just might bury you. 9 ball requires good shot making ability and this one should be made with position.
I agree with your assessment of this particular layout. Carom to the 9-ball, knock the 1-ball up table. Reward to risk ratio is pretty high.
But, I think DCP was really trying to get a feel for how to get from the one to the two, since most of his questions are the "how do I run out 1 through 9" variety.
I understand what you're saying but sometimes, the correct answer to that question is, the best way to get out is to play safe. The point of nine-ball isn't to pocket the most balls. It's to win. I'm sorry for stating the obvious but a solid player always keeps that in mind. There is no joy in making a great shot if you end up losing the game. You want to play percentage pool so unless it's a challenge (get out from here variety), any time anyone asks the question, I'm going to answer it with the win in mind.
I tried going 4 rails the way I diagrammed, but when I set it up, it looked a lot harder than in the wei diagram lol. After seeing the layout on an actual table, I wouldn't even consider playing it this way.
um.. no on one thinks about banking it between the 6 and 7? looks like it goes to me with built in position and a reasonable chance at getting safe if you miss... surely someone addressed this and i just missed it?
Where do you get "built in position" out of that bank shot? You mean following into the end rail and up past the two to shoot it in the lower left? For me, it's awfully hard to play a long bank and play position at the same time with any kind of touch involved. Maybe you're just a lot better than me, but it seems like the slow cut shot is much higher percentage, and the safety/fish for the 9 two-way shot is strategically better. I would rank the bank as a distant third in terms of your best shot options. But again, that's based on my own strengths and weaknesses. Yours are bound to be different.
I understand what you're saying but sometimes, the correct answer to that question is, the best way to get out is to play safe. The point of nine-ball isn't to pocket the most balls. It's to win. I'm sorry for stating the obvious but a solid player always keeps that in mind. There is no joy in making a great shot if you end up losing the game. You want to play percentage pool so unless it's a challenge (get out from here variety), any time anyone asks the question, I'm going to answer it with the win in mind.
You do not see this as a usual 9 ball shot holding the CB for the 2 and running out?
I realize that most posts here talk about making shots and playing safeties. I think if a few posts made on some defensive kick shots after a safe may startle some into "I better play the shot while I have it or lose potentially lose."
Hey guys, I think a lot of you underestimate how challenging this cut-shot really is. I don't think there is a single player in the world who would be giddy about shooting this shot even if it were the 9-ball! The thought of getting position with tons of traffic would make this unnerving.
The soft cut simply wouldn't be fun because of the distance involved. Nobody likes shooting soft when you need to be so accurate from such a distance and there is no guarantee of position. Forget english. It'll wear off by the time the cue-ball reaches anything.
Multiple rails is just ridiculous. Unless the path is as big as Broadway, there's no chance of being consistent. Hit that ball a little thicker or thinner than anticipated and you're bound to run into something. Change the spin a little and you're screwed. Maybe Reyes can be consistent with such routes but honestly, I think even Reyes might consider other options.
I agree and that's why I didn't like that option initially. I also agree (especially after setting it up) that the 3-4 multi-rail options aren't good unless your name is Thorsten. One easier multi-rail option is just to go roughly straight back and forth with some inside english. You're probably not going to have a hanger on the 2, but it should be easy to get on the 3...and you can stroke the 1. I think any A player is supposed to try to run out here instead of playing the carom on the 9 - and if you do play the carom on the 9, you need to go rail first with english so you don't have to hit the 1 as hard and risk sending it back down table...b/c of where the balls are I think it's a better idea to play an outright safe rather than try the carom though.
Jude Rosenstock said:
Hey guys, I think a lot of you underestimate how challenging this cut-shot really is. I don't think there is a single player in the world who would be giddy about shooting this shot even if it were the 9-ball! The thought of getting position with tons of traffic would make this unnerving.
The soft cut simply wouldn't be fun because of the distance involved. Nobody likes shooting soft when you need to be so accurate from such a distance and there is no guarantee of position. Forget english. It'll wear off by the time the cue-ball reaches anything.
Multiple rails is just ridiculous. Unless the path is as big as Broadway, there's no chance of being consistent. Hit that ball a little thicker or thinner than anticipated and you're bound to run into something. Change the spin a little and you're screwed. Maybe Reyes can be consistent with such routes but honestly, I think even Reyes might consider other options.
Hey guys, I think a lot of you underestimate how challenging this cut-shot really is. I don't think there is a single player in the world who would be giddy about shooting this shot even if it were the 9-ball! The thought of getting position with tons of traffic would make this unnerving.
The soft cut simply wouldn't be fun because of the distance involved. Nobody likes shooting soft when you need to be so accurate from such a distance and there is no guarantee of position. Forget english. It'll wear off by the time the cue-ball reaches anything.
Multiple rails is just ridiculous. Unless the path is as big as Broadway, there's no chance of being consistent. Hit that ball a little thicker or thinner than anticipated and you're bound to run into something. Change the spin a little and you're screwed. Maybe Reyes can be consistent with such routes but honestly, I think even Reyes might consider other options.
Get out and play someone and learn from their good play, bad play or whatever. You should learn something from every shot you or they shoot, good or bad. BTW, Letting the cue ball fly around the table is rarely a good option.
