This Is An Absolute Disgrace........

jimmy-leggs

jimmy-leggs

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I just read about the florida pro tour results and couldn't believe the payouts.They attract 78 pro players for probably 4-5 days and pay out chump change.
1ST 3,500
2ND 2,000
Something better happen for these guys and girls or they will be giving it up for real jobs.
sorry to vent but WOW.pathetic!:(
 
that's a crappy payout for sure. Is the prize money 2-ply, cause maybe they can wipe their ass with it later
 
bigskyjake said:
that's a crappy payout for sure. Is the prize money 2-ply, cause maybe they can wipe their ass with it later
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lol,thats funny s**t!
but anyway,those kind of payouts are an insult to any professional.
 
Wow
You Guys Just Found A Flaw With Pool Tournaments.
Now, All You Have To Do Is Go Out And Find Someone To Put Up More Cash, Or Just Pony Up The Dough Yourselves.
No Offense To You Guys. I Know You're Not Doing Anything Anyone Else Hasn't Done A Thousand Times Before. I Just Get Sick Of Everybody *****ing And No One Doing Any Work To Fix It.
 
jimmy-leggs said:
I just read about the florida pro tour results and couldn't believe the payouts.They attract 78 pro players for probably 4-5 days and pay out chump change.
1ST 3,500
2ND 2,000
Something better happen for these guys and girls or they will be giving it up for real jobs.
sorry to vent but WOW.pathetic!:(
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1st – $2,370.00 + entry to the Fast Eddies 9 ball Tour
2nd – $1,160.00
3rd – $ 665.00
4th $ 370.00
5-6th $ 80.00/$80.00
7-8th $ 50.00/$50.00

This is the payout for a ONE DAY event in Waco,Tx. 48 player max. This is after a portion taken for expenses.
 
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BazookaJoe said:
Wow
You Guys Just Found A Flaw With Pool Tournaments.
Now, All You Have To Do Is Go Out And Find Someone To Put Up More Cash, Or Just Pony Up The Dough Yourselves.
No Offense To You Guys. I Know You're Not Doing Anything Anyone Else Hasn't Done A Thousand Times Before. I Just Get Sick Of Everybody *****ing And No One Doing Any Work To Fix It.
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Some of the guys on this board will never get it. They enjoy starting threads about bar fights between top players, and otherwise perpetuate the seedy image of our sport. Then they wonder why potential sponsors don't want their good company name associated with this image.
 
Rarelymisses said:
Some of the guys on this board will never get it. They enjoy starting threads about bar fights between top players, and otherwise perpetuate the seedy image of our sport. Then they wonder why potential sponsors don't want their good company name associated with this image.
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I wouldn't suggest a bar fight being the yellow brick road to pool popularity. Those had to be the silliest threads ever posted. But if you can incorporate the woofin and the banter and flash the cash in front of the audiences eyes. You have a show!!!!!
Someone with some cash needs to do this.
Seriously! Who the hell would EVER watch poker if they didn't have a little animated talk thrown in?

Show em up playing for 12 to 18 hours straight. (Red Bull)
On their feet for long sets (Are you gellin?)
Corey Deuel could be a damn Abercrombie commercial!!!!
Someone open their eyes to the possibilities.
 
TIMBER1 said:
1st – $2,370.00 + entry to the Fast Eddies 9 ball Tour
2nd – $1,160.00
3rd – $ 665.00
4th $ 370.00
5-6th $ 80.00/$80.00
7-8th $ 50.00/$50.00

This is the payout for a ONE DAY event in Waco,Tx. 48 player max. This is after a large chunk istaken out by the Tournament director for expenses.
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That payout has a calcutta right? FWIW the Florida pro tour has no calcutta. If you drop the calcutta out of your payout, I dont think you would be posting these numbers in this thread.
 
BazookaJoe said:
I wouldn't suggest a bar fight being the yellow brick road to pool popularity. Those had to be the silliest threads ever posted. But if you can incorporate the woofin and the banter and flash the cash in front of the audiences eyes. You have a show!!!!!
Someone with some cash needs to do this.
Seriously! Who the hell would EVER watch poker if they didn't have a little animated talk thrown in?
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Do you think that the powers-that-be haven't already considered this possibility ? I think the model that pool needs to follow is that of professional golf. The image of the game is very carefully maintained by strict codes of conduct for the players. Rather than emphasizing the seedy, dangerous, near-physical confrontation that is associated with two guys competing on a pool table, the golfer industry portrays a lonely man dueling with his inner demons while trying to stay relaxed and get into stroke. Two golfers never exchange words or badmouth each other. It is a classy image of the common man trying to achieve excellence, something that everybody at home can relate to. How many people at home can relate to putting themselves into a confrontation in a dark, smoky, seedy, dangerous pool room that they may never leave in one piece ? The guy at home will run out to play golf after watching a tournament on TV. The other guy watching a pool match doesn't want to end up in a confrontation in a pool room. Even if these watchers only experience the two games vicariously, they still relate to what they are watching. The more they can relate, the more advertised product is going to be purchased. Is this so hard to understand ? The sponsors seem to get it.
 
Put up or shut up

jimmy-leggs said:
I just read about the florida pro tour results and couldn't believe the payouts.They attract 78 pro players for probably 4-5 days and pay out chump change.
1ST 3,500
2ND 2,000
Something better happen for these guys and girls or they will be giving it up for real jobs.
sorry to vent but WOW.pathetic!:(
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Pathetic is your rant!!! Over $17,000 in prizes. 24 places paid.

Maybe you can put up some of that chump change you've been holding on for the next tour event........(an additional $17,000 is needed to doble the prize money each player received).

Could you do that for pool? Please? Pretty please with mayoraise? or ketchup, or mustard, or cream cheese..............
 
Rarelymisses said:
Do you think that the powers-that-be haven't already considered this possibility ? I think the model that pool needs to follow is that of professional golf. The image of the game is very carefully maintained by strict codes of conduct for the players. Rather than emphasizing the seedy, dangerous, near-physical confrontation that is associated with two guys competing on a pool table, the golfer industry portrays a lonely man dueling with his inner demons while trying to stay relaxed and get into stroke. Two golfers never exchange words or badmouth each other. It is a classy image of the common man trying to achieve excellence, something that everybody at home can relate to. How many people at home can relate to putting themselves into a confrontation in a dark, smoky, seedy, dangerous pool room that they may never leave in one piece ? The guy at home will run out to play golf after watching a tournament on TV. The other guy watching a pool match doesn't want to end up in a confrontation in a pool room. Even if these watchers only experience the two games vicariously, they still relate to what they are watching. The more they can relate, the more advertised product is going to be purchased. Is this so hard to understand ? The sponsors seem to get it.
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very well said.
 
Dr. Dissent said:
Pathetic is your rant!!! Over $17,000 in prizes. 24 places paid.

Maybe you can put up some of that chump change you've been holding on for the next tour event........(an additional $17,000 is needed to doble the prize money each player received).

Could you do that for pool? Please? Pretty please with mayoraise? or ketchup, or mustard, or cream cheese..............
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Good one!thanks for your input.You must have thought long on that one.
 
If it weren't for the "seedy" side of the game, I'd quit playing. This game is not golf!
Want to talk boring? Put two guys in tuxedos and let them shoot straight pool for hours. I'd rather watch grass grow.

Now spice it up.

Throw 6 groups of 6 guys into their own rooms. Tell them they have 15 minutes to make a game for the grand (or whatever you wish to start them with) they are holding with anyone else in the room. The "fish" has the advantage of getting weight from anyone in the room. He is offered his best game which means someone has to give up the nuts. All players go to the tournament room and play their matches. You lose, you go home. You win, and it's woof central with all remaining players making games (no less than 2 grand per matchup). Till they are down to 2.
Winner takes it all!

Do it with chips and payouts if you like.

When have you ever been in the presence of 2 guys woofin and been anything but entertained?

Geez! When was the last time you felt threatened by this?
 
You know how to build the prize pool? CHARGE MORE MONEY FOR THE EVENT!

Pros are usually sponsored by a corporation or an individual anyways. They can either front the whole money themselves or get someone to put it in for them. That same 78 person tourney with a $1000 entry would have a prize pool of...that right...$78,000. All of the entrants there believe they have a legitimate shot at winning so they should not have any qualms about putting up the money. Then at least they could pay $15K or so for first.

I do not mind them only paying through 24th place because that is 30% of the field. My local $5/entry bar tourneys usually pay 1/3 of the field. You just cannot pay everyone.

Either that or a group of people have to get out and pound the street for getting corporate sponsorship to start another pro tour. Get Budweiser or whatever to put their name on the tour and put in a few mil for the rights to broadcast on ESPN or whatever. I know this has all been said before.
 
jimmy-leggs said:
I just read about the florida pro tour results and couldn't believe the payouts.They attract 78 pro players for probably 4-5 days and pay out chump change.
1ST 3,500
2ND 2,000
Something better happen for these guys and girls or they will be giving it up for real jobs.
sorry to vent but WOW.pathetic!:(
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It's no wonder so many pool players have (sadly and regrettably) jumped ship to play poker. You can regularly find single hands played for this much on the internet.

A few years ago when they had the Pechauer Tour season finale here in L.A. and Parica beat Efren in the final, I found out they had a video game competition that same weekend in L.A. and the winner of just one of the games won about three times as much as Jose did for winning the entire two day tournament.
 
UWPoolGod1 said:
You know how to build the prize pool? CHARGE MORE MONEY FOR THE EVENT!

Pros are usually sponsored by a corporation or an individual anyways. They can either front the whole money themselves or get someone to put it in for them. That same 78 person tourney with a $1000 entry would have a prize pool of...that right...$78,000. All of the entrants there believe they have a legitimate shot at winning so they should not have any qualms about putting up the money. Then at least they could pay $15K or so for first.

I do not mind them only paying through 24th place because that is 30% of the field. My local $5/entry bar tourneys usually pay 1/3 of the field. You just cannot pay everyone.

Either that or a group of people have to get out and pound the street for getting corporate sponsorship to start another pro tour. Get Budweiser or whatever to put their name on the tour and put in a few mil for the rights to broadcast on ESPN or whatever. I know this has all been said before.
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That is exactly the problem,the entry fees are way to low.
 
Yeah
Don't market the sport so it pays for it's self.
Just make the players pay for it.
 
Rarelymisses said:
Do you think that the powers-that-be haven't already considered this possibility ? I think the model that pool needs to follow is that of professional golf. The image of the game is very carefully maintained by strict codes of conduct for the players. Rather than emphasizing the seedy, dangerous, near-physical confrontation that is associated with two guys competing on a pool table, the golfer industry portrays a lonely man dueling with his inner demons while trying to stay relaxed and get into stroke. Two golfers never exchange words or badmouth each other. It is a classy image of the common man trying to achieve excellence, something that everybody at home can relate to. How many people at home can relate to putting themselves into a confrontation in a dark, smoky, seedy, dangerous pool room that they may never leave in one piece ? The guy at home will run out to play golf after watching a tournament on TV. The other guy watching a pool match doesn't want to end up in a confrontation in a pool room. Even if these watchers only experience the two games vicariously, they still relate to what they are watching. The more they can relate, the more advertised product is going to be purchased. Is this so hard to understand ? The sponsors seem to get it.
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However....one of the most popular events in Golf happens to be the Ryder Cup....This is not "a lonely man" and usually has quite a bit of fist pumping.

The problem is that pool is considered a "game" by the masses (out side of hard core players) Golf was this way for a long time. Golf was only considered a game and actually was not publicly accepted as a "sport" until the mid 80's. (Even one of the most famous names in Golf was actually a lawer and just played Golf "on the side" so to speak)

These days its now actually "cool" to be on the Golf team....and public schools have better and better teams now....

My Freshman year in High School they almost did not have enough kids to make a team. My Sr year, the school had two bus loads of kids that tried out for the (10 man roster) Golf team.

Pool teams in high school are non-existent in Arizona, and I doubt any high school in the united states has a pool team...

Get that introduced and give the kids something to play for and you will see the development of kids that now play for the "sport" of pool rather than just to play a "game of pool"

Right now there is no reason for American kids to play pool...other than recreation....No development = no future.....JMO
 
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UWPoolGod1 said:
You know how to build the prize pool? CHARGE MORE MONEY FOR THE EVENT!
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I think you the nail on the head and was thinking the same thing. What was the entry fee for this? The WPBA is 500.00 per event. If one thing that came out of the IPT, that might be good, was that it proved players are willing to put up bigger entry fees for bigger payouts.
 
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