Tip experiment

Hit Man

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I've been reading some posts lately about milk dud style tips and figured I'd do a little experimenting of my own. Since the craze has taken hold of most of us in a quest to find the magic tip, I thought I'd share my latest science experiment. This started some time ago, about a year in trial and error trying to get it right. I hated buying boxes and boxes of tips to do this with and even worse, turning tips down and taking different shafts down to the pool hall and hitting with them, only to find out most of them were klinkers!

There are some really nice layered tips out there today. Some are pricey, some are not. Since all the old original Morri's are gone, or in very scarce supply, I settled in for the Kamui S as my refence tip. Some may not agree with that. To each their own.


Consistently good are the milk soaked and pressed Elkmasters.
A billion Chinamen can't all be wrong!
You can press them fairly tight to get the desired feel and they're cheap.

Here comes the buffalo!
Water Buffalo hide has the best properties for tip making that I've found and Tweeten's been using it for years. It's just about either being too hard or too soft for most folks.

I wanted a tip that could take repeated break shots without mushrooming, have all the finess, spin and feel of a medium/soft tip, and hold chalk without constant rescuffing. And most important of all, it has to sound sweet when you hit the cueball. WHERE IS THIS MAGIC TIP?

Here's what I've come up with. So simple and it's worked fine on every tip I've tried so far.

Take an ordinary Tweeten black WB tip and decompress it. (they're hard)
HOW HARD IS IT?
Drop the tip in a small cup of 70% isopropyl alcohol for about 10 mins.
This loosens the black paint.
Then take the tip out of the alcohol and use a paper towel or something to rub off the black coating while it's still wet. (use rubber gloves or your fingers will get black)
Then scuff it while it's still wet, top & bottom.
Drop the tip back into the alcohol to soak for about 30 mins.
Take it out of the alcohol and set it on the counter to air dry for about 24 hours. It's done!
Install as normal, shape and dress. Ready for action!

If you use a micrometer to measure the thickness of the tip before and after the experiment you will see that the tip gets thicker, even after it's totally dry. They soak up chalk like a sponge and feel great! A very solid medium/soft hit with a nice clean sound. Excellent action on the cueball!
Is it your magic tip? Like I said, to each their own!

They play totally right for me. I just thought I would share this. Thanks for reading.
 
Me and my buddy Roy (troyroy78) have experimented with so many tips. Our cues and lathe are in the poolhall, so no hustle in putting them in and testing them. My preferred tips are from Med to Hard, while Roy like Soft to Med. Below is my list of tips that I like.

1. SuperPro
2. Pre-Moori III (M & H)
3. Pre-Kamui II (M & H)
4. Molavia (H)
5. Talisman WB (H)
6. Kamui Black (H) <-- just recently added.
7. Pressed Ingot (for Breaker)
 
Agreed. The pre Moori III's were real good. Haven't tried the Super pros yet.
Recently tried the Wizards and was very impressed!
You're lucky to have a lathe right there. Nice!
 
Hit Man said:
I've been reading some posts lately about milk dud style tips and figured I'd do a little experimenting of my own. Since the craze has taken hold of most of us in a quest to find the magic tip, I thought I'd share my latest science experiment. This started some time ago, about a year in trial and error trying to get it right. I hated buying boxes and boxes of tips to do this with and even worse, turning tips down and taking different shafts down to the pool hall and hitting with them, only to find out most of them were klinkers!

There are some really nice layered tips out there today. Some are pricey, some are not. Since all the old original Morri's are gone, or in very scarce supply, I settled in for the Kamui S as my refence tip. Some may not agree with that. To each their own.


Consistently good are the milk soaked and pressed Elkmasters.
A billion Chinamen can't all be wrong!
You can press them fairly tight to get the desired feel and they're cheap.

Here comes the buffalo!
Water Buffalo hide has the best properties for tip making that I've found and Tweeten's been using it for years. It's just about either being too hard or too soft for most folks.

I wanted a tip that could take repeated break shots without mushrooming, have all the finess, spin and feel of a medium/soft tip, and hold chalk without constant rescuffing. And most important of all, it has to sound sweet when you hit the cueball. WHERE IS THIS MAGIC TIP?

Here's what I've come up with. So simple and it's worked fine on every tip I've tried so far.

Take an ordinary Tweeten black WB tip and decompress it. (they're hard)
HOW HARD IS IT?
Drop the tip in a small cup of 70% isopropyl alcohol for about 10 mins.
This loosens the black paint.
Then take the tip out of the alcohol and use a paper towel or something to rub off the black coating while it's still wet. (use rubber gloves or your fingers will get black)
Then scuff it while it's still wet, top & bottom.
Drop the tip back into the alcohol to soak for about 30 mins.
Take it out of the alcohol and set it on the counter to air dry for about 24 hours. It's done!
Install as normal, shape and dress. Ready for action!

If you use a micrometer to measure the thickness of the tip before and after the experiment you will see that the tip gets thicker, even after it's totally dry. They soak up chalk like a sponge and feel great! A very solid medium/soft hit with a nice clean sound. Excellent action on the cueball!
Is it your magic tip? Like I said, to each their own!

They play totally right for me. I just thought I would share this. Thanks for reading.

i had one of those WB tips on my gilbert jump break. it wasn't compressed all the way and played great until it finally did compress.
 
Hit Man said:
Agreed. The pre Moori III's were real good. Haven't tried the Super pros yet.
Recently tried the Wizards and was very impressed!
You're lucky to have a lathe right there. Nice!

the wizard i tried played well until it was broken in. then it glassed over and played pretty crappy (imo)
 
I've been using the de compressed water buffalo regularly now for about a month and love it!. Hasn't shown any sign of hardening, glazing over or ill effect from breaking although eventully I'm sure it would. I wouldn't use it strictly for that. I still have a wizard on one of my other shafts that I haven't used too much so I don't know about glazing over yet but it plays nice.
I retired Kamui tips cause they're just too expensive.
 
Leather will glaze up and to avoid that, I pass a 100 grit sandpaper every time before I play just to rough it up. Just a habit.
 
Hit Man said:
Agreed. The pre Moori III's were real good. Haven't tried the Super pros yet.
Recently tried the Wizards and was very impressed!
You're lucky to have a lathe right there. Nice!

I'm well stocked on those tips that I mentioned except for the Talisman WB (H). Having said that, I'll be purchasing some soon.
 
Alot depends on the hardness/feel you prefer
I think I have tried every tip out there

I like these alot
-Everest
-Kamui med/soft
-Mike Johnson (Jensen) milk duds(harder than the 2 above)
these are pretty good
-Molavia S & M
-Black Diamond
These are inconsistant from my limited expirience
Wizard-I tried 3mediums 2 were hard as heck, 1 was great.
Black Jack-same as Wizards
Triangle-range from spongy to just right, maybe 1 in 4 are real good
Lepros- very few real good ones in each box.

These were too hard to play with or glazed over too quick(for me)
-Superpro- I know some people play with these, no way would I.
-Moori med & hard

I didn't care for the feel of the Snipers but they played pretty good.
Most others (unless I forgot) were not worth mentioning in my opinion.
Tips are probably the most subjective part of the cue so there are no right or wrong ansers IMHO.-jeff
 
I have been enlightened!

Thanks guys for this thread. I recently had milk dud tips put on a couple of cues. I liked the tips initially, but after a month or so they have seemed to be to hard and clicky. I was just about to give up on those tips. After reading this thread and ignorantly coming to the realization that I had allowed the tips to compress, I took out my handy tip pick and re-aireated the tip. It plays well again now. I did not realize how quickly a milk dud would do this. Going forward, I will know to pay more attention and avoid this issue.
 
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