tip trouble

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measureman

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Couple months ago I got a real nice used Phillippi cue with 2 shafts.
Both shafts have unknown layered tips.
One tip was pretty tall and dime shaped,the other half worn and nickel shaped.
The larger tip was dime shaped so I cut a bit of and reshaped it with sand paper and used a Willards tip tool to get a proper nickel shape.
That's when the miscues started and I almost never miscue.
So back to the sand paper a bit more aggressively this time trying to get past what I thought was dried out layers.
Same thing a miscue here and there.
If this tip is real old is it possible it dried out or was no good from the start?
I'm almost thinking that the previous owner had trouble with the larger tip and used the smaller tip and that's why it's worn down more.
I know the easy fix is to change it but it looks close to new.
Any tricks to save it?
 
xX-Wizard-Xx said:
Why is it always the tips fault
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I have three playing cues with 6 shafts and they all have a mix of different layered and solid tips and I rarely miscue with any of them,my stroke is very repeatable.
The other Philippi shaft with the same tip half worn down is just fine.
 
measureman said:
Couple months ago I got a real nice used Phillippi cue with 2 shafts.
Both shafts have unknown layered tips.
One tip was pretty tall and dime shaped,the other half worn and nickel shaped.
The larger tip was dime shaped so I cut a bit of and reshaped it with sand paper and used a Willards tip tool to get a proper nickel shape.
That's when the miscues started and I almost never miscue.
So back to the sand paper a bit more aggressively this time trying to get past what I thought was dried out layers.
Same thing a miscue here and there.
If this tip is real old is it possible it dried out or was no good from the start?
I'm almost thinking that the previous owner had trouble with the larger tip and used the smaller tip and that's why it's worn down more.
I know the easy fix is to change it but it looks close to new.
Any tricks to save it?
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Tips are an expendable item. Cut them both off or have them both cut off and install 2 tips of what you like.
Looks like a couple triangles will fit the bill for you.
If you're interested I have 15mm triangles available. If you don't know the story behind 15s just use some 14s.
 
BarenbruggeCues said:
Tips are an expendable item. Cut them both off or have them both cut off and install 2 tips of what you like.
Looks like a couple triangles will fit the bill for you.
If you're interested I have 15mm triangles available. If you don't know the story behind 15s just use some 14s.
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What's the story?
 
xX-Wizard-Xx said:
Why is it always the tips fault
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Oh AZB...Lets just be rude right from the start even if we have a good point. I think Dr. Dave addressed this very well. "most" miscues are the fault of a poor stroke. However, I am capable of running 2-6 racks of 8 ball on a bar table, and yet not capable of hitting any off center shot for shit with a kamui black tip reliably because in my opinion they suck! Maybe that tip just sucks?
 
jayman said:
Oh AZB...Lets just be rude right from the start even if we have a good point. I think Dr. Dave addressed this very well. "most" miscues are the fault of a poor stroke. However, I am capable of running 2-6 racks of 8 ball on a bar table, and yet not capable of hitting any off center shot for shit with a kamui black tip reliably because in my opinion they suck! Maybe that tip just sucks?
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People on azb are wound way to tight ... Lighten up it was a joke 🤣
 
I don't know about any tricks, but once I lose confidence in a tip, right or wrong, I cut the sucker off and banish it to the trashcan.

I've just got too many other things wrong with my game to give my brain an excuse to screw with me over yet another reason...

Just sayin'...
 
Some tips are good quality but don't fit the player's shooting style. Some tips are poor quality but fit the player's shooting style. Some tips are just trash. Sometimes the player's stroke is just trash. I hope this helps...
 
measureman said:
Couple months ago I got a real nice used Phillippi cue with 2 shafts.
Both shafts have unknown layered tips.
One tip was pretty tall and dime shaped,the other half worn and nickel shaped.
The larger tip was dime shaped so I cut a bit of and reshaped it with sand paper and used a Willards tip tool to get a proper nickel shape.
That's when the miscues started and I almost never miscue.
So back to the sand paper a bit more aggressively this time trying to get past what I thought was dried out layers.
Same thing a miscue here and there.
If this tip is real old is it possible it dried out or was no good from the start?
I'm almost thinking that the previous owner had trouble with the larger tip and used the smaller tip and that's why it's worn down more.
I know the easy fix is to change it but it looks close to new.
Any tricks to save it?
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If the tip holds chalk, it's not the tip's fault. Hardness is not a factor, you shouldn't miscue even with a phenolic tip. I pay a lot of attention to equipment and noticed that I miscue more when switching shafts, and that is because of the change in balance. Your muscle memory can be thrown off by the changed balance. Weigh both shafts, are they different weights?
 
Catalin said:
If the tip holds chalk, it's not the tip's fault. Hardness is not a factor, you shouldn't miscue even with a phenolic tip.
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Could Catalin be right and wrong?

Maybe hardness is not at fault but it so happens that its sometimes harder to chalk a hard tip than a soft tip? And so, that's why more miscues with hard than soft tip?

Or might there be some other reason players find more miscues with a hard tip than a soft tip even though one shouldn't miscue anymore with a hard tip or even a phenolic tip?

Does an explanation start and end with whether the tip holds chalk? And one other thing --- if comparing different shafts, using a newer shaft with a different balance may cause miscuses.
 
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Paul_#_ said:
Could Catalin be right and wrong?

Maybe hardness is not at fault but it so happens that its sometimes harder to chalk a hard tip than a soft tip? And so, that's why more miscues with hard than soft tip?

Or might there be some other reason players find more miscues with a hard tip than a soft tip even though one shouldn't miscue anymore with a hard tip or even a phenolic tip?

Does an explanation start and end with whether the tip holds chalk? And one other thing --- if comparing different shafts, using a newer shaft with a different balance may cause miscuses.
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I have never blamed the tip for my miscues. It is always the tip placement. What might happen is a softer tip deforms more at impact creating a bigger contact patch, so you are effectively hitting closer to the center of the ball than you might think, avoiding the miscue. A harder tip has a smaller contact patch and hits more true to where you are aiming on the CB. If you are aiming close to the miscue limit, this might make all the difference.If you adjust your aiming to stay inside the miscue limit, both tips will give the same result .
 
David in FL said:
I don't know about any tricks, but once I lose confidence in a tip, right or wrong, I cut the sucker off and banish it to the trashcan.

I've just got too many other things wrong with my game to give my brain an excuse to screw with me over yet another reason...

Just sayin'...
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