Tips for Students of CTE

[JE54]

I tried to copy the info with the wei table to Microsoft word. The text copies but not the table. I did it by dragging the mouse and highligthing the text including the table. Right clicked and selected copy then when to the word document and hit paste. Where the table would be is a little picture of something. Any suggestions how to copy the table so I can print it so I can have a copy near the table?

 

[Neil]

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[Patrick Johnson]

I tried to copy the info with the wei table to Microsoft word. The text copies but not the table. I did it by dragging the mouse and highligthing the text including the table. Right clicked and selected copy then when to the word document and hit paste. Where the table would be is a little picture of something. Any suggestions how to copy the table so I can print it so I can have a copy near the table?

If you're on a PC, hit the PrintScreen key (usually abbreviated as "Prt Scr"), which copies an image of what's on your screen onto your Windows Clipboard. Then open the Paint program that comes with Windows and Paste the image into that program. Then you can print it, save it, etc.

pj
chgo

 

[JE54]

Thanks, I'll give it a try..................

 

[JE54]

I tried it, didn't get it. Called in my daughter and she did it in a couple minutes. Oh well, I never said I knew much about computors, just enough to get in trouble. lol

 

[JoeyA]

I just wanted to clarify that shot arc concept. The smaller the pivot, the less it matters. The DVD is specific to 1/2 tip pivots because very little can go wrong.

CTE as a system doesn't have a pre-configured "offset," if you would. Hal specifically said the offset didn't matter (and he's right); however, additional considerations need to be made if a player chooses to offset beyond 1/2 tip (say, a 1/2 ball).

So, when releasing a DVD and making this as objective as possible without fooling around with a lot of variables - Stan chose 1/2 tip pivots so a player could see results right away.

I know this thread is for DVD-content-only, so I'll be brief. Once your tip offset increases beyond 1/2 tip, the player cannot pivot straight from the bridge as they'd pivot to the incorrect center based on shot distances. That's where pivoting along the OB plane comes in to ensure you're getting to the correct center.

I made a detour this past Sunday to Walnutport, PA to see Hal. I was warned ahead of time that his "clarity" has slipped considerably since my last visit. When I sat by his bed, he was a little foggy. But as soon as I mentioned "the aiming police," "Pat Johnson," "Bob Jewett," and other members of the gang, Hal snapped into ninja mode. In fact, I'm not sure if I ever recall Hal being so cognizant of detail in our discussion! Unreal! Sunny was elated and couldn't believe it. I told her if he ever clouds up, just tell him that Patrick Johnson is knocking CTE on AZBilliards and watch what happens (nothing like poking the tiger through the cage). LOL! (Pat -- hopefully you see the humor in that and don't mind I totally used you to get Hal back into instruction-mode)

One of the questions I snuck in was, "Hal, when you were playing -- what was your bridge length and offset?"

He replied by saying his bridge length was VERY short (about 4-5" or so) and his offset was VERY small (smaller than 1/2 tip). His goal, he explained, was to minimize the chance of "losing the trajectory" to the target after getting to center. The true target, as he explained it, was hitting the exact center of the CB (this lead into a lengthy discussion on how to do that).

Now, I want to preface that comment with the fact that Hal comes from an era where 14.1 was the game of choice. Many of us are rotation players and playing with a bridge that short would break your game. Hal's consideration was minimal CB movement.

In conclusion, smaller offsets mitigate the need to worry about pivot arcs. If you offset 1/2 ball, like me, and pivot from the bridge--- you'll never make a ball. Once you get to 1/2 tip and within, you can. See? Stan eliminated a big variable

Dave

Great update on Hal Houle! Glad to hear he and Sunny are doing well.

THANK YOU!
joeyA

 

[JoeyA]

Yes! I've been harping on that for quite some time now. I've been calling them "alignment points", but I think your "reference points" idea is better. "Alignment points" could be taken as meaning "cue alignment".

I like to call them "aiming" coordinates but reference points sounds good too.

One tip, I don't know if it has been mentioned is to practice CTE/Pro One with simple straight in shots. What you are practicing is the entire aiming system but especially seeing the aiming coordinates/reference points. Pay a lot of attention to the A,B & C coordinates. You must be precise with aiming the edge of the cue ball at these points. When I first started using CTE/Pro One, I was missing balls because I was not being precise with aiming the edge of the cue ball even though i had chosen the correct aiming coordinate.

When you are first starting out, make sure the cueball and object ball are at least 18-24" apart and you have plenty of room to make a bridge on the bed of the slate. I liked using the side pockets because it was a small area and easy to sight the visuals.

JoeyA

 

[mantis99]

Realize that when shooting to a side pocket, that a ball aimed at the center of the pocket (as the system is suppossed to set you up to do) will catch the jaws if the angle is great enough, thus you may have to adjust for slightly more cut to get by the jaws and shoot to the far side of the pocket.

 

[jwpretd]

Realize that when shooting to a side pocket, that a ball aimed at the center of the pocket (as the system is suppossed to set you up to do) will catch the jaws if the angle is great enough, thus you may have to adjust for slightly more cut to get by the jaws and shoot to the far side of the pocket.

That's interesting. I've taken "center pocket" to mean "the center of the pocket opening as seen along the OB's path to the pocket". That is, in the case of shooting down the rail, or into a side pocket at a steep angle, it would mean the far side of the pocket, even the facing of the far side in some cases. Is that not what it was intended to mean?

 

[randyg]

That's interesting. I've taken "center pocket" to mean "the center of the pocket opening as seen along the OB's path to the pocket". That is, in the case of shooting down the rail, or into a side pocket at a steep angle, it would mean the far side of the pocket, even the facing of the far side in some cases. Is that not what it was intended to mean?

I agree. Center of the pocket slides slightly.
randyg

 

[Mikjary]

The visual alignments Stan has created in Cte/Pro One are unique thanks to his hard work. But, they can be taken out of the system and used in most aiming situations. I spoke before about the benefits of using the eyes to work both together and separately to get the shooter on the correct aiming line. Each eye takes a role, depending on the direction of the cut, to supply the mind with the necessary information to direct the body's alignment.

Simply put, the left eye will give the input to the brain for the aiming points on the left sides of the cue ball and object ball. The right side will direct traffic on the right sides of the balls. Your visual will actually be a blended image of both eyes with the left eye in charge on the left side and the right eye on the right side. You are using both eyes, but one eye's image will give the correct information to your brain, which is again, the left eye for the left side and the right eye for right side.

A typical shot to the left using the A aiming point would have the player using their right eye to find the ctel (center to edge line) and their left eye to find the A aiming point. The same is true for the B aiming point. The player would use his left eye to find the B aiming point and his right eye to find the ctel. The opposite is true for shots to the right.

Some players may find they can accomplish this using one eye to sight both aiming point and ctel simultaneously, but this is rare. It is possible, but most will find this tedious, at best. I tried this and my eyes reverted back to using both naturally, instead of just one. If your body does something on its own, pay attention. :wink:

Best,
Mike

 

[Not Dead Ted]

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Simply put, the left eye will give the input to the brain for the aiming points on the left sides of the cue ball and object ball.
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This is not so, and it is easy to prove.

Hold your index finger up at arms length, in front of your nose. Close your left eye, move your finger to the left. You will continue to see your finger with your right eye until it is about 45 degrees to the left of midline. So, visualizing aiming points on the opposite side of the ball occurs on every shot, unless of course you are a fish (PJ?), or perhaps a horse, where the lateral eye placement on the skull does not allow the visual field to extend beyond midline, as it does in all binocular humans.

 

[JoeyA]

Problem solved...

 

[Mikjary]

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Simply put, the left eye will give the input to the brain for the aiming points on the left sides of the cue ball and object ball.
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This is not so, and it is easy to prove.

Hold your index finger up at arms length, in front of your nose. Close your left eye, move your finger to the left. You will continue to see your finger with your right eye until it is about 45 degrees to the left of midline. So, visualizing aiming points on the opposite side of the ball occurs on every shot, unless of course you are a fish (PJ?), or perhaps a horse, where the lateral eye placement on the skull does not allow the visual field to extend beyond midline, as it does in all binocular humans.

This is a method you can use by blending the actual images and picking out which one you decide to use. You will be using both eyes, but the most important information will be what is used by the shooter. Please reread the post.

The purpose of moving the discussion to this thread was to discuss CTE. Not simple facts about obvious visual parameters, etc. Please keep your comments on point. Thank you.

Best,
Mike

 

[Not Dead Ted]

This is a method you can use by blending the actual images and picking out which one you decide to use. You will be using both eyes, but the most important information will be what is used by the shooter. Please reread the post.

The purpose of moving the discussion to this thread was to discuss CTE. Not simple facts about obvious visual parameters, etc. Please keep your comments on point. Thank you.

Best,
Mike

I have re-read your post #51, and it makes no sense whatsoever.

Your statement:
"Simply put, the left eye will give the input to the brain for the aiming points on the left sides of the cue ball and object ball. The right side will direct traffic on the right sides of the balls. Your visual will actually be a blended image of both eyes with the left eye in charge on the left side and the right eye on the right side."

Is incorrect. You could make the argument that the temporal aspect of the right retina and the nasal aspect of the left retina "direct traffic" from the left side of the OB (left visual field) to the right side of the brain(which is really "in charge"). This would at least be more anatomically correct, but would still likely be substantially over simplified.

You selected the left-eye, left-side-of-ball as your visual model for CTE, and it is not consistent with what is known about the way that we see things.

 

[Mikjary]

I have re-read your post #51, and it makes no sense whatsoever.

Your statement:
"Simply put, the left eye will give the input to the brain for the aiming points on the left sides of the cue ball and object ball. The right side will direct traffic on the right sides of the balls. Your visual will actually be a blended image of both eyes with the left eye in charge on the left side and the right eye on the right side."

Is incorrect. You could make the argument that the temporal aspect of the right retina and the nasal aspect of the left retina "direct traffic" from the left side of the OB (left visual field) to the right side of the brain(which is really "in charge"). This would at least be more anatomically correct, but would still likely be substantially over simplified.

You selected the left-eye, left-side-of-ball as your visual model for CTE, and it is not consistent with what is known about the way that we see things.

You've been asked to not discuss points unless they are Cte/Pro One related. I am not concerned about which side of the brain is processing information from the eyes in this thread. The phrase "directing traffic" was not directed at brain function, but rather visual input.

This thread was specifically created to review information from the Cte/Pro One dvd.

I'm asking you again to respect this request and not insert your opinions in this discussion. It is a simple request.

Best,
Mike

 

[Not Dead Ted]

You've been asked to not discuss points unless they are Cte?Pro One related. I am not concerned about which side of the brain is processing information from the eyes in this thread. The phrase "directing traffic" was not directed at brain function, but rather visual input.

This thread was specifically created to review information from the Cte/Pro One dvd.

I'm asking you again to respect this request and not insert your opinions in this discussion. It is a simple request.

Best,
Mike

Your theory on the visual system and CTE is nowhere to be found on Stan's DVD.

Please stick to information from the DVD.

Thank you.

 

[Mikjary]

Your theory on the visual system and CTE is nowhere to be found on Stan's DVD.

Please stick to information from the DVD.

Thank you.

Did it ever occur to you that possibly I have dealt with the man on a personal level? It is no secret about the facts I have been posting. I was going to post more and tie in my previous posts, but I seem to be occupied with you.

I don't speak for Stan. If I post an incorrect or misleading point, I expect him to call me to straighten it out. We communicate when necessary, Stan makes the decisions. He is the instructor, I am the student.

You have posted to disrupt the thread, again. I understand your interest in clarity about the subject. What I'm starting to understand is your continued need to get the last word in, here. If that's what it takes, go ahead. Post one more time and we're good, bro. I'll wait.

After that, I will post information relevant to Cte/Pro One along with other posters.

Best,
Mike

 

[AtLarge]

Maybe the more generalized tip from Mikjary's post #51 is just to try sighting the alignment lines more than one way (using the eyes differently) to find your own personal best way.

You could set up some of the shots from the DVD, use the alignment-menu selections the DVD calls for, and shoot the shots several times each, using the eyes different ways. Let success be your guide.

 

[Mikjary]

Maybe the more generalized tip from Mikjary's post #51 is just to try sighting the alignment lines more than one way (using the eyes differently) to find your own personal best way.

You could set up some of the shots from the DVD, use the alignment-menu selections the DVD calls for, and shoot the shots several times each, using the eyes different ways. Let success be your guide.

Yes! Absolutely. The point of my previous post was to let each user know that they are an individual and what works for them visually, may be different than the next person. On some shots I use only one eye to sight the aiming points. On others, I share the work between both eyes.

On the dvd, a mention of the different sighting methods would have taken another chapter and would have been a confusing exercise in camera work. It also would have been redundant as this information is already out there for each user to research. Another factor is that the beginning user doesn't need to be influenced by a method of visual alignment that they may not need. They may be visually correct with no coaching and may develop problems that were never intended, because they deviated from their natural method of visual sighting.

Each player has to try the system and not worry about how they are seeing the aiming points. If you are having trouble or have problem areas that won't go away, that is the time to look deeper. And remember, you alone know how you see each shot. Others can only suggest a solution. There is a typical pattern most people will use, but one size doesn't fit all.

Best,
Mike