Tips & Table Size

[PoolSleuth]

Have only recently experienced playing on a Bar Boxs, and someone was saying playing on a Bar Box is More Forgiving to the Player who hit their shots with More Spin/Outside than the Player who mostly Hit Center, or Near Center.

Also this same Person felt a Soft Tip be it Layered, or Non Layered was better if you like to Spin the Ball.

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No this is not a Poll, just an Question...

 

[RBLilly]

Tips and Tables

Well I don't believe a bar box is any more forgiving if you use spin (english) or if you hit vertical center of a cue ball. I used to play with all kinds of spin, and english, now I am shooting a lot more vertical center. Friday night I played on a bar box, and only lost once from about 9pm - 2am.

When they say a bar box is more forgiving it would seem to me like they are talking about pocket size. Most bar boxes have huge pockets compared to the average 8 or 9 foot table. This is so that the games go quickly and you keep pumping quarters into it. LOL

That is just my thoughts on why they say a bar box is more forgiving.

Now as far as tips, I would have to agree that a soft tip is supposed to give more spin (english). The theory is that the tip grabs the cue ball better, and stays in contact longer. Therefore it would put more spin on it.

Be that as it may I used to use mostly triangle tips just cause they came with McDermotts, and I had no problems putting spin on the ball. Triangles are a med-hard tip.

Now that I have gotten better I changed up to a sniper tip, and have fallen in love with them. They hold there shape longer, they play more consistent through the whole tip.

I haven't had any problems applying english to any ball, and snipers are a hard tip.

I have used the moori tips on my I-shafts, and I don't feel that the tip is applying that much more spin even though it is a soft tip.

The amount of time that the tip is staying in contact with the cue ball is milliseconds, so I don't think a soft tip will apply that much more.

I think it again comes down to the stroke, and whether or not you have a low deflection cue.

The lower the delfection of the cue, the better spin or english you can put on it.

Just my thoughts, doesn't mean there everyone's though.

 

[Chris]

Have only recently experienced playing on a Bar Boxs, and someone was saying playing on a Bar Box is More Forgiving to the Player who hit their shots with More Spin/Outside than the Player who mostly Hit Center, or Near Center.

Also this same Person felt a Soft Tip be it Layered, or Non Layered was better if you like to Spin the Ball.

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I don't see why the size of the table would give an advantage to a player who uses lots of english, draw and follow compared to a player that plays using primarily center ball w/o draw or follow. In the case of bar boxes with bigger "mud ball" cue balls, I would expect the opposite to be true, due to the cue ball size, not the table size.

It any instant, the friction between the cue ball and a soft tip versus a cueball and a hard tip (all else being equal) is the same. The hard tip offers more friction per unit of surface area, but the soft tip area of contact is bigger. These cancel one another out exactly, so that the total friction should be the same. In fact, it is this property which allows me to draw the cue ball with my phenolic tipped break cue.

A softer tip will increase the time the tip is in contact with the cue ball compared to a harder tip. However, a softer tip will absorb more of the impact energy. I'm not sure what the combined effects of these two factors are. It could be that a softer tip will give the user a slight advantage when applying english, draw or follow.

 

[Billy_Bob]

I have a bar table at home with very small quadruple shimmed 3 3/4 inch pockets (regular bar table 4 1/2 inch pockets).

With my table at home, no one has ever had a break and run - 8 or 9 ball. My best friend and I have come close a few times getting down to the 8 or 9 and not making it, and this will only happen about once a week. One of us will usually have a table run about once in a night of play. With 9-ball it is very difficult to make a ball and leave good position for the next shot with hard (fast shots). Shots where you need to bring the cue ball back to the opposite end of the table with a lot of draw or a massive amount of follow. Tend to not pocket the ball.

But playing on a regular bar table with large 4 1/2 inch pockets and playing 8-ball, it is much easier to get a break and run. I played on a regular bar table last night and 4 times broke and ran 7 balls, then missed on the 8 (I was not trying very hard to make the 8*). And then had several table runs. Also much easier with 9-ball to shoot fast shots and pocket the ball.

So the difference in "forgivingness" can be pocket size. Also a longer distance or larger table can make things more difficult. And the reason for this when using spin (english) is that english will alter the direction of the object ball (read about throw). And for this reason along with others such as cue ball deflection (squirt), I tell beginners who are having trouble pocketing their balls to not use english. Basically when you use english, the object ball goes a slightly different direction. The ball will still go into the pocket with a larger pocket. The ball will not go into the pocket with a very small pocket. And on a larger table with more distance, the ball is way off by the time it gets to the pocket and will not fall into the pocket.

*Making a lot of break and runs in a bar is a good way to run off other players and have no one to play with. Other players appreciate it if you give them a chance to run the table.