To be a pro, or not to be a pro.
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Eydie, What's the problem? It is your tournament, you can allow anyone you want to enter it. You make up your own list of who is banned from competing.
I am sure that the amateurs that you want in your tournaments will keep you aware of who is who and you can decide who you allow to play.
From what little I know the road players don't want to win your tournaments. Maybe come close, win a little, and then perhaps get into a game with the winner.
Scotty Townsend? I seriously doubt that Scotty can sneak in anywhere. But then I have heard stories.
And why would anyone want to be classified as a Pro? There isn't that much money in it. If you think occasional paydays of 4 or 5 grand is great then you are living in a dream world. And there sure isn't a lot of prestige either. Unless you are in the top dozen or so.
Zim, basic was a long time ago for me but I can still hear our Sarge telling us to forget about our "mommys" because he is going to be the only mother we will ever have, or need, from now on. And a lot of people were there before you, and sacrificed, to give you the things you take for granted so don't be so high and mighty.
Seems to me that you spend a lot of time on the computer. Are you supposed to be working now? Are the tax payers paying for you to play on the computer?
Is it really true that barracks are air-conditioned now?
Jake
I am sure that the amateurs that you want in your tournaments will keep you aware of who is who and you can decide who you allow to play.
From what little I know the road players don't want to win your tournaments. Maybe come close, win a little, and then perhaps get into a game with the winner.
Scotty Townsend? I seriously doubt that Scotty can sneak in anywhere. But then I have heard stories.
And why would anyone want to be classified as a Pro? There isn't that much money in it. If you think occasional paydays of 4 or 5 grand is great then you are living in a dream world. And there sure isn't a lot of prestige either. Unless you are in the top dozen or so.
Zim, basic was a long time ago for me but I can still hear our Sarge telling us to forget about our "mommys" because he is going to be the only mother we will ever have, or need, from now on. And a lot of people were there before you, and sacrificed, to give you the things you take for granted so don't be so high and mighty.
Seems to me that you spend a lot of time on the computer. Are you supposed to be working now? Are the tax payers paying for you to play on the computer?
Is it really true that barracks are air-conditioned now?
Jake
Jake- haha!! got to laugh at some of the comments! My job is a Dispatcher, hence the computer time. My job, for 10 HOURS PER DAY and it's all on the computer! Lucky me, I know, I know! The barracks (dorms for Air Force) are air conditioned, some of them anyway.
Zim
Zim
Danny D
You got me kinda ticked with your misconception of these little third world countries. Tywan, thialand the phillipeens and a hundred other little shit holes(not the these places are 100% shit holes, Manila is very nice
have 12 year olds running racks on tables with pockets you couldnt piss in. So why dont you get yourself a plane ticket and some peso"s and go out there and play for it all so if you lose your stuck sleeping in some elses trash can because thats how things work around there. 
Danny D
You got me kinda ticked with your misconception of these little third world countries. Tywan, thialand the phillipeens and a hundred other little s@#! holes(not the these places are 100% s#@! holes, Manila is very nice ) have 12 year olds running racks on tables with pockets you couldnt piss in. So why dont you get yourself a plane ticket and some peso"s and go out there and play for it all so if you lose your stuck sleeping in some elses trash can because thats how things work around there.
Originally posted by Danny D
Zim, kid, listen to Reno, read what he says in the post below you, what he is politely trying to tell you is you dont have a clue. You are l5,-000 miles away sitting in some 3rd country rice patty. Your action is going into town on Saturday night and playing the local gooks for a bottle of sake. Uncle blows a bugle, you wake up, bugle blows, you go to sleep. Uncle feeds you free, c lothes you free, does everything for you, its like livin with your mother.
You dont have to think, in fact not thinking got you promoted to sargent, rigtht. When you get back to civiliaztion and into the real world, learn to shave, grow some hair on your ass and on top of your burr head, buy some real clothes you buy, grab your cue and hit the road, take $500 and see how long you can stay out there. My bet is 3 days you are busted and beggin to sweep out the pool hall for a double cheezburger. Until you live our life, and succeed at it, I'd put a sock in it kid.
Danny,
I get the feeling you're about my age or thereabouts, 29, right? Anyway, back in our day, the military was like you described it, one big welfare state for the disenfranchised, or guys that couldn't make it anywhere else. Today it's a different ball game. Today they have to move forward or they're asked to leave. I think you're putting Zim down and you're dead wrong. Besides, right now there are a lot of soldiers putting their lives on the line for those of us having the good life here at home.
What you're saying about going out on the road and how tough it is, I totally agree with you. It takes a certain type of person to be able to do that and be successful at it. If you've done it, I tip my hat to you. Just because you're a stud at pool doesn't mean that Zim can't carry your pool cue. You don't know how he plays by what he says on this board. He might be fishing and you might be the sardine, ever think of that?
Zim, kid, listen to Reno, read what he says in the post below you, what he is politely trying to tell you is you dont have a clue. You are l5,-000 miles away sitting in some 3rd country rice patty. Your action is going into town on Saturday night and playing the local gooks for a bottle of sake. Uncle blows a bugle, you wake up, bugle blows, you go to sleep. Uncle feeds you free, c lothes you free, does everything for you, its like livin with your mother.
You dont have to think, in fact not thinking got you promoted to sargent, rigtht. When you get back to civiliaztion and into the real world, learn to shave, grow some hair on your ass and on top of your burr head, buy some real clothes you buy, grab your cue and hit the road, take $500 and see how long you can stay out there. My bet is 3 days you are busted and beggin to sweep out the pool hall for a double cheezburger. Until you live our life, and succeed at it, I'd put a sock in it kid.
Danny,
I get the feeling you're about my age or thereabouts, 29, right? Anyway, back in our day, the military was like you described it, one big welfare state for the disenfranchised, or guys that couldn't make it anywhere else. Today it's a different ball game. Today they have to move forward or they're asked to leave. I think you're putting Zim down and you're dead wrong. Besides, right now there are a lot of soldiers putting their lives on the line for those of us having the good life here at home.
What you're saying about going out on the road and how tough it is, I totally agree with you. It takes a certain type of person to be able to do that and be successful at it. If you've done it, I tip my hat to you. Just because you're a stud at pool doesn't mean that Zim can't carry your pool cue. You don't know how he plays by what he says on this board. He might be fishing and you might be the sardine, ever think of that?
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I agree Eydie!
I understand your position as a Tournament Director.
As you know Eydie - we are putting together our own "Pro" and "Semi-Pro" list to use for handicapping our Tournament Series.
We are compiling data from the BCA, WPA, UPA, VNEA and others. We will categorize players ourselves to be used within our own Tournament Series. We will take it one step farther, by letting our Regional Tournament Directors have input as to who should and should not be on the list.
Once our list is compiled, each Tournament Director will be able to make suggestions on either removing a player from the list - or - adding a player to the list. The TD will present their suggestions through email to our Board Of Directors. The five member board will the decide whether to approve or void the TD's recommendations.
We will use our list for Handicapping our Series. In a race to 5 - a Pro will have to spot his opponent 2 games on the wire, if the opponent is an Amateur, or 1 game if a Semi-Pro. This will help level the playing field.
So - YES - I agree with you, that for "Tournaments" sake - there should be a "National" list - and we are as we speak compiling one.
Talk to you soon Eydie!
I understand your position as a Tournament Director.
As you know Eydie - we are putting together our own "Pro" and "Semi-Pro" list to use for handicapping our Tournament Series.
We are compiling data from the BCA, WPA, UPA, VNEA and others. We will categorize players ourselves to be used within our own Tournament Series. We will take it one step farther, by letting our Regional Tournament Directors have input as to who should and should not be on the list.
Once our list is compiled, each Tournament Director will be able to make suggestions on either removing a player from the list - or - adding a player to the list. The TD will present their suggestions through email to our Board Of Directors. The five member board will the decide whether to approve or void the TD's recommendations.
We will use our list for Handicapping our Series. In a race to 5 - a Pro will have to spot his opponent 2 games on the wire, if the opponent is an Amateur, or 1 game if a Semi-Pro. This will help level the playing field.
So - YES - I agree with you, that for "Tournaments" sake - there should be a "National" list - and we are as we speak compiling one.
Talk to you soon Eydie!
Zim,
I know that you are man enough to accept a difference of opinion. I never questioned that. Also, I hope that you understand that I have no intention of insulting anyone, especially someone that lays it on the line to protect the freedoms that we Americans take for granted. Let me make this point perfectly clear...my opinions on something as trivial as the game of pool have nothing to do with my appreciation for the military efforts of the United States of America.
God bless our troops!!
Let me know when you get back stateside, and I'd be proud to drive down to your part of the Land of Lincoln to buy you a brew!
Reno
I know that you are man enough to accept a difference of opinion. I never questioned that. Also, I hope that you understand that I have no intention of insulting anyone, especially someone that lays it on the line to protect the freedoms that we Americans take for granted. Let me make this point perfectly clear...my opinions on something as trivial as the game of pool have nothing to do with my appreciation for the military efforts of the United States of America.
God bless our troops!!
Let me know when you get back stateside, and I'd be proud to drive down to your part of the Land of Lincoln to buy you a brew!
Reno
Re: Re: Re: I agree Eydie!
Hey Roadrunner 711,
Who's killing their action? There will not be one road player affected by this list. They can go out to any pool room in America and, with a slur in the speech and shake in the hand, make their living. However, if they try to steal a tournament stated to be "amateur only", they will be outed. I have not read anywhere that photos will be taken of them (although that is a great idea) and distributed over the internet. They are talking names only. Ask someone what Mark Tadds real name is (maybe that's it)? Mike Janis, founder and director of the Viking Tour, requires positive ID before you can sign up for a tour card. Lets stop this "poor, poor road guy" gets taken advantage of crap. If they choose to make their living in that manner and risk being beat up, ostracized by other players or killed after making a score, that is their choice. Please don't ask me to sympathize.
Road Runner 711 said:Yes I would like to see such a list, but I would imagine the roadies would see this as nothing but a black list against them and a list of death, you are killing their action.
Hey Roadrunner 711,
Who's killing their action? There will not be one road player affected by this list. They can go out to any pool room in America and, with a slur in the speech and shake in the hand, make their living. However, if they try to steal a tournament stated to be "amateur only", they will be outed. I have not read anywhere that photos will be taken of them (although that is a great idea) and distributed over the internet. They are talking names only. Ask someone what Mark Tadds real name is (maybe that's it)? Mike Janis, founder and director of the Viking Tour, requires positive ID before you can sign up for a tour card. Lets stop this "poor, poor road guy" gets taken advantage of crap. If they choose to make their living in that manner and risk being beat up, ostracized by other players or killed after making a score, that is their choice. Please don't ask me to sympathize.
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It's ridiculous to call South Korea or Taiwan third world countries.
Over 60% of homes in South Korea has broadband connection. Over 90% of the population owns a cell phone. The literacy rate is higher in both Korea and Taiwan than that of the US. The economy has industrialized over 2 decades ago. Taiwan is the largest maker of microchips on the planet. When they suffered a blackout 3 years ago, intel and microsoft stock fell around the world.
Bangladesh is a third world country. Pound for pound, Taiwan and Korea have comparable economies to any western european nation, or the United States.
Roger
Over 60% of homes in South Korea has broadband connection. Over 90% of the population owns a cell phone. The literacy rate is higher in both Korea and Taiwan than that of the US. The economy has industrialized over 2 decades ago. Taiwan is the largest maker of microchips on the planet. When they suffered a blackout 3 years ago, intel and microsoft stock fell around the world.
Bangladesh is a third world country. Pound for pound, Taiwan and Korea have comparable economies to any western european nation, or the United States.
Roger
Vegas has been doing it for some time. But they include pictures of all the people they want banned. They get the class pictures from MIT yearbooks. Seems MIT has produced quite a few card counters who scored big and Vegas wants to keep them away from the tables.
Had a nice little show about it on TV last night.
All high rollers are in their computers. Might have 11 cameras wtching them at anyone time and compare who is at the table with them at the other casinos.
Can you imagine playing blackjack with $100,000 chips in the rack? That's each chip is worth $100,000.
Where is this bad economy everyone is complaining about?
Jake
Had a nice little show about it on TV last night.
All high rollers are in their computers. Might have 11 cameras wtching them at anyone time and compare who is at the table with them at the other casinos.
Can you imagine playing blackjack with $100,000 chips in the rack? That's each chip is worth $100,000.
Where is this bad economy everyone is complaining about?
Jake
How would you like to be at the crap table with a whale like that throwing you a chip every now and then for luck? Of course the casino probably wouldn't let just anybody stand around that kind of table! If I had that kind of money, I sure wouldn't be gambling it away! I'd be on a yacht in Monte Carlo or something!
Purdman
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Last year, I saw Mika and his nice Asian girlfriend running thru trafic with a box of cereal and a quart of milk heading back to the room for breakfast at the Capital City Classic. I don't mean any offence, but that ain't exactly what I call high rolling.
As far as the gamblers are concerned, I know a guy who went on the road for two weeks and lost $31,000. He came back and hooked me for $200. Got back the $75.00 I took from him last year and $125 more. You know what he is doing, bragging about the $200. What a sick fool. $31,000, thats what I spent on my wife's Jeep Grand Cherokee last Christmas. 2002 after the 2003's came out, knocked off $7,000. He probably didn't give his wife diddly squat .
He has the cash but not the brains. He is headed to the US Open to meet the guy and lose another bank roll. Thats his business, but it don't make it right. I think he is a sick-o. He did this after I sold him three cue cases at $15.00 above wholesale. Real quality human being huh. Piss on em.
As far as the gamblers are concerned, I know a guy who went on the road for two weeks and lost $31,000. He came back and hooked me for $200. Got back the $75.00 I took from him last year and $125 more. You know what he is doing, bragging about the $200. What a sick fool. $31,000, thats what I spent on my wife's Jeep Grand Cherokee last Christmas. 2002 after the 2003's came out, knocked off $7,000. He probably didn't give his wife diddly squat .
He has the cash but not the brains. He is headed to the US Open to meet the guy and lose another bank roll. Thats his business, but it don't make it right. I think he is a sick-o. He did this after I sold him three cue cases at $15.00 above wholesale. Real quality human being huh. Piss on em.
hey you danny d (d for dumb)
you suck, get a life, eat worms. You sound more like Fast ass Larry.
Forget about it Zim, dannys a pig GO ARMY!
back to the real question, yes! there should be a private national list of big dags that all tournament directors around the us can use between themselves.
My husband is going to the midwest open, I don't know if I will be there but I would like to meet bob and edie! WTG you guys!
Kate
you suck, get a life, eat worms. You sound more like Fast ass Larry.
Forget about it Zim, dannys a pig GO ARMY!
back to the real question, yes! there should be a private national list of big dags that all tournament directors around the us can use between themselves.
My husband is going to the midwest open, I don't know if I will be there but I would like to meet bob and edie! WTG you guys!
Kate
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Danny D said:
Heh heh.. Okay, so what about ME, Danny?
I was stationed in that little rice "paddy" of a country you are talking about.. I was in the Army for 9 years. And stepped directly into a job paying somewhere around 54K a year.
And I look at guys like you with pity. I can learn the food chain in my area and make another 2 or 3 thousand a year. So wat if I can't practice enough to beat even the local shortstops? I happen to know one of the local shortstops who has no car, and has to share an apartment with another local gambler. And they both have to woof at any regular that walks in the door to pay their rent.
I personally think you are a troll, based on the way you responded in this thread.
Futhermore, look at what people like you contribute to society, and what people like Zim and I contribute. We defend the country while you go around looking to take advantage of people who don't know how you play. We take care of our families in quite a comfortable way, while you are a predator looking to make $500 off a fish. Like me.
I laugh at your $500. I make that in two days.
Pogue