Tournament payouts

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Charlie D

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Just a idea from past experience with archery. I've shot in the Vegas shoot. Example 36 shooters
After the tournament, The archers are placed from 1st to 36th. The archers are divide by 3 leaving 3 Flights of 12 archers.
The payouts for example.
1 $500 13 $100 25 $25
2 $300 14 $75 26 $25
3 $150 15 $50 27 $25
4 0 16 0 28 0
5 0 17 0 29 0
6 0 18 0 30 0
7 0 19 0 31 0
8 0 20 0 32 0
9 0 21 0 33 0
10 0 22 0 34 0
11 0 23 0 35 0
12 0 24 0 36 0
Flight 1 Flight 2 Flight 3

Now if I enter a tournament I consider it a donation because of my skills in pool. I enjoy the competion but to be honest I know wer'e the money most likely is going to go.
Why not adopt a payout schedule as above the top 3 shooters receive a larger payout. The smaller payouts are paid to the top 3 in each flights 2, 3.
I can see this system being used in an 8 ball tournament, havent thought much on 9 ball. After 1st thru 3rd is determined, The rest of the players are now placed by positon perhaps the're ball count, a win is 10 and their opponent gets their ball count, totals for all games played.
This would mean a payout spread out and at least the losers would have a greater chance of getting into the money.
I believe that greater participation could be had by spreading out the money. After all have you ever heard I would shoot a tournament but I know I dont have a chance? I am just throwing this idea out. Do you think it could work, and would it increase participation....................Charlie D
 
Hello Charlie, your system sounds a little confusing me. Only because, IMO, pool doesn't lend itself to a tiered system like archery or golf. Those sports each require the player (shooter) to play the exact same course, were as different levels of skill can more easily be determined. Although I'm not that familiar with archery. Essentially you're trying to handicap the tournament in some way. Not a bad idea. Maybe separate brackets or limiting player skill level to different brackets or even the tournament. You could also weight the entry fee, with better players paying more. Another option might be to have a round-robin tournament and divide up players according to skill level.

Rick
 
So, everybody plays against the same field and the 4th place finisher takes home nothing, yet 6 players who finish way below him get money. No, I don't think I care for that. Handicap the tournament in some other way or just play heads up.

Maybe this would only occur to me, but if I am getting ready to play a match and I see that if I lose, I will finish at 13th place and take home $100 and that my other option is to win and keep playing and try to reach 4th place where I will take home $150, and I can see who I'm going to be facing..... hmmmm

On the other hand, there is another option that's similar that I have seen that does work: Put the players in different brackets, A,B,C, etc, before the tournament starts. They all still play in the same tournament, but they only compete for money against those in their own bracket. The top 3 finishers in the A bracket cash, same in the B and C bracket. This works some better because it doesn't give someone the option to check out the bracket chart and bail out to win by losing. It also gives the players in the B and C brackets to reach first place and win the Big money.
 
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Maybe this would only occur to me, but if I am getting ready to play a match and I see that if I lose, I will finish at 13th place and take home $100 and that my other option is to win and keep playing and try to reach 4th place where I will take home $150, and I can see who I'm going to be facing..... hmmmm
Thank you for your opinion, I can only imagine the pain in the butt trying to keep track of the other players ball count in order to try to finish 13th. After all isnt the goal to win?
The idea to have brackets A,B,C while a good suggestion, wouldnt that be open to manipulation?
I think if top 3 or 5 in the first bracket paid well, and tours went to a flight system and paid some money to the 13th or 14th place, you would get more participation and wouldnt that be good for pool as a whole?
Of course I could be full of chit, and please no polls on the last statement...............Charlie D :wink:
 
I think if you were doing a multi-level payout structure for pool similar to your archery structure then you'd have to make little adjustments.

For example, in a double elimination tournament what you'd probably do is take all of the 2 and out losers along with the 1 win and 2 losses players and group them into that last tier. None of these players will have won more matches than they've lost.

Then you'd take all of the losers from multiple loser bracket rounds (i.e. 3-6) and group them into a tier.

All that are left would be the next tier.

You could then take those players and set them up in single elimination tournament boards for each of the 3 tiers.


It could be an interesting structure to implement.
Some issues with this structure are,
1. the money would be spread pretty thin. But, if you get a big enough increased participation, then you might be able to actually have bigger payouts.
2. it would be virtually a triple elimination tournament, so you'd have to manage the time constraints.
 
Charlie D said:
Thank you for your opinion, I can only imagine the pain in the butt trying to keep track of the other players ball count in order to try to finish 13th. After all isnt the goal to win?
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There's no computing to it -- you just look at the bracket board. You can easily see ahead of time what place you will finish in if you lose at any particular place on the board. There is a wide gap of several matches between finishing 13th and 4th. You can also see ahead of time who you will likely be playing in those matches to come.

Charlie D said:
The idea to have brackets A,B,C while a good suggestion, wouldnt that be open to manipulation?
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How would that be manipulated? Players are put into brackets based on skill level before play begins. Everybody is playing in the same tournament and trying to win and has the same shot for the tournament money. Players in the A bracket who finish out of the main money are out. Players in the B bracket who finish out of the main money but who finish at the top of their bracket of players get B bracket money. Same for the C bracket if there is one. Etc.

The other problem is that in a single or double elimination pool tournament, there is no one 13th place finisher, and I don't see how you could score a tournament so that there would be one.
 
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CocoboloCowboy said:
Post # 1 is got me trying to figure out the numbers.
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It can be confusing at first because the columns aren't justified. There are three columns. Each column is an ascending list of placings in the tournament (1-12, 13-24, & 25-36) followed by an amount of winnings.

Reading across the top row, it says

1st place = $500 13th place = $100 25th place = $25

Everyone after row three receives $0.
 
ronhudson said:
So, everybody plays against the same field and the 4th place finisher takes home nothing, yet 6 players who finish way below him get money. No, I don't think I care for that. Handicap the tournament in some other way or just play heads up.

Maybe this would only occur to me, but if I am getting ready to play a match and I see that if I lose, I will finish at 13th place and take home $100 and that my other option is to win and keep playing and try to reach 4th place where I will take home $150, and I can see who I'm going to be facing..... hmmmm

On the other hand, there is another option that's similar that I have seen that does work: Put the players in different brackets, A,B,C, etc, before the tournament starts. They all still play in the same tournament, but they only compete for money against those in their own bracket. The top 3 finishers in the A bracket cash, same in the B and C bracket. This works some better because it doesn't give someone the option to check out the bracket chart and bail out to win by losing. It also gives the players in the B and C brackets to reach first place and win the Big money.
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Ron , I like the A B C brackets but how would you determine the skill level of the shooter? Now I'm not being argumentive! but couldnt a A bracket shooter say he or she is a "B bracket shooter"? I was just thinking out loud about how to get more people into tournements. Back to the drawing board. Thanks to all................................Charlie D
 
Charlie D said:
Ron , I like the A B C brackets but how would you determine the skill level of the shooter? Now I'm not being argumentive! but couldnt a A bracket shooter say he or she is a "B bracket shooter"? I was just thinking out loud about how to get more people into tournements. Back to the drawing board. Thanks to all................................Charlie D
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The TD assigns the players based on knowledge of their skill level or being able to establish a level in some other way. Players don't just declare themselves in a certain bracket. Unknown players are placed in the A bracket.

This will encourage players with lower skill levels to enter when otherwise they would not.
 
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