Tournaments that use a shot clock, and extensions.

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justinb386

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I was re watching some of the Mosconi Cup matches (that I missed), and it got me thinking that maybe it would be better if they allowed a 45 second shot clock (maybe without allowing an extension).

So, do you think that 30 seconds is a fair amount of time, or do you think that maybe most tournaments should allow at least a 45 second shot clock (if they use one)?

I think that if they could allow up to 45 seconds per shot, then it would be okay to make up for that by not allowing an extension.

What do you think?

Thanks for posting your thoughts about shot clocks, and extensions.
 
justinb386 said:
I was re watching some of the Mosconi Cup matches (that I missed), and it got me thinking that maybe it would be better if they allowed a 45 second shot clock (maybe without allowing an extension).

So, do you think that 30 seconds is a fair amount of time, or do you think that maybe most tournaments should allow at least a 45 second shot clock (if they use one)?

I think that if they could allow up to 45 seconds per shot, then it would be okay to make up for that by not allowing an extension.

What do you think?

Thanks for posting your thoughts about shot clocks, and extensions.
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I think a 30 second shot clock with maybe one or two extensions per rack is what it should be. I HATE slow players . My statement is for rotation games. As a player, I think one pocket should have no shot clock but rather the players have the choice of calling a clock of one minute like they do in poker. I would never have anyone call me a slow player but honestly occasionally while playing one hole you may need just a bit to consider what's going on and to plan yourself a way of getting out of the trap you've just been put in.
 
At the professional level shot clocks are fine. 30s is fine but the number of extensions should be based on the match length and not one per rack - most extensions that are called aren't really needed but there are some epic racks where more than one is needed.
 
Why do procrastinating pool players need 45 seconds?

The Shoot Out
http://www.snooker.org/res/index.asp?event=447

Random draw after each round

One Rack

Maximum time - 10 minutes
Maximum - 15 seconds in the first 5 minutes - 10 seconds in the second 5 minutes

Two extensions

First prize - 32,000 pounds - $44,000 U.S.

In normal play the vast majority of pro snooker players will take less than 30 seconds per shot for the match - they keep statistics and announce during the matches on TV.

O'Sullivan and Trump roll along at about 17 seconds.
 
Been watching O'Sullivan matches the past few weeks. Just phenomenal hoe he plays . The speed and ability is superhuman.
 
Personally, I hate shot clocks. I like the idea of starting without one, and then only implementing one if one of the players is so slow as to be disruptive.

What would be the purpose of removing the extension, even with a longer shot clock? How does that help the game?
 
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Scaramouche said:
Why do procrastinating pool players need 45 seconds?

The Shoot Out
http://www.snooker.org/res/index.asp?event=447

Random draw after each round

One Rack

Maximum time - 10 minutes
Maximum - 15 seconds in the first 5 minutes - 10 seconds in the second 5 minutes

Two extensions

First prize - 32,000 pounds - $44,000 U.S.

In normal play the vast majority of pro snooker players will take less than 30 seconds per shot for the match - they keep statistics and announce during the matches on TV.

O'Sullivan and Trump roll along at about 17 seconds.
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And neither of them seemed to slow down much in that well-known epic tactical battle over the pink where Judd won the battle but Ronnie ended up winning the war. I just happened to watch that again last night.
 
I used to do a 35 second shot clock and a 15 second extension. There's no reason any shot should take longer than that. Slow players are disruptive and you should be penalized if you weren't paying attention to the game.

If you're watching your own game, you know where the balls are and what is capable of going where. 35 + 15 is more than ample time to make a decision and fire.
 
Clocking

On the Midwest9ballTour Evelyn(T.D.) will monitor a match if brought to her attention. I believe she uses 45sec. If a player is repeatedly slow it's warning-game-match. Rarely comes up in bar-box 9ball but when it does Mrs.Dysart will take care of business. She runs her tournament like a Marine drill-sargeant and players know it and respect it.
 
BmoreMoney said:
I think a 30 second shot clock with maybe one or two extensions per rack is what it should be. I HATE slow players . My statement is for rotation games. As a player, I think one pocket should have no shot clock but rather the players have the choice of calling a clock of one minute like they do in poker. I would never have anyone call me a slow player but honestly occasionally while playing one hole you may need just a bit to consider what's going on and to plan yourself a way of getting out of the trap you've just been put in.
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I agree with this, however, Accustats implements a 60 second shot clock for one pocket (with one extension per game) and I think it is sufficient.

Professional rotation must have a 30 second clock (with a single extension per rack) if this game is ever to be taken seriously. That is enough time to keep the game flowing and also keep the slow-playing jokers out of the deck. Sure, there may be a critical shot that is hurried here and there, but that is a pressure element that is common in most popular sports.

Imagine if the NBA or NFL didn't have clocks to keep the game going. Players could then lollygag and stall; it would be a completely different game i.e., unwatchable.
 
Scaramouche said:
Why do procrastinating pool players need 45 seconds?

The Shoot Out
http://www.snooker.org/res/index.asp?event=447

Random draw after each round

One Rack

Maximum time - 10 minutes
Maximum - 15 seconds in the first 5 minutes - 10 seconds in the second 5 minutes

Two extensions

First prize - 32,000 pounds - $44,000 U.S.

In normal play the vast majority of pro snooker players will take less than 30 seconds per shot for the match - they keep statistics and announce during the matches on TV.

O'Sullivan and Trump roll along at about 17 seconds.
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That was really great I thought. Really great shooting by those 2 players, and the 15 and 10 second shot clocks made it really fun to watch. You guys are right. 45 seconds would be too long, but when you think about it, the players would rarely be using even half of those 45 seconds, even if there were a 45 second shot clock, right? It is only 15 more seconds, so I do not see what the big deal is to give the players just 15 more seconds when they need it to think over what they need to do.
 
justinb386 said:
I was re watching some of the Mosconi Cup matches (that I missed), and it got me thinking that maybe it would be better if they allowed a 45 second shot clock (maybe without allowing an extension).

So, do you think that 30 seconds is a fair amount of time, or do you think that maybe most tournaments should allow at least a 45 second shot clock (if they use one)?

I think that if they could allow up to 45 seconds per shot, then it would be okay to make up for that by not allowing an extension.

What do you think?

Thanks for posting your thoughts about shot clocks, and extensions.
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Overall I agree with you, however for most rotation games, I believe most shots are fairly routine, and it is only a handful of tricky shots that demand much more time than the typical shot. Therefore, I think the extension idea makes a bit more sense. I'm a slow player, but I really don't think even I need 45 seconds on most shots playing 9 ball, for example. I'd prefer to have a full minute on the tough ones.

KMRUNOUT
 
30 seconds and shoot

I like the speed at which Earl plays and seldom watch Archer as his play and cloth picking is to slow for me, even though he is a great pool player. Alex can be slow too, but at least he is entertaining when he does it.

I think a 30 second shot clock in 9 and 10 Ball is reasonable with extensions based on match length, instead of every game.
 
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