ugh, what would you have tried

supergreenman

supergreenman

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Hey, I was left with this layout last night. I was solids and I played a safe off of the 5 to try and get behind the 2, I missed and ended up losing. How would you play this. LOL I must have known I was going to miss or something because I took a picture of the layout before I shot.

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You could've nudged the 2 to the rail and left the guy with a tuff combo at best...I would've done the same safe you tried too though.

supergreenman said:
Hey, I was left with this layout last night. I was solids and I played a safe off of the 5 to try and get behind the 2, I missed and ended up losing. How would you play this. LOL I must have known I was going to miss or something because I took a picture of the layout before I shot.

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I would have tried to slide the cueball in there to reduce it's speed and under cut the 5 to go two rails to give yoursefl a break out shot and if possible get the cue ball to slide over toward the 8 with the right spin on it. Cue ball shows about where I would have aimed.

Even with the photo, this looks like a tough shot though.

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Sorry some WIE posts do not show up right.
 
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In your photo, it looks like you had room to shoot a 2-rail safety too. But the WIE table didn't allow it, so I moved the 12-ball down a little to make what I thought looked close.

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supergreenman said:
Hey, I was left with this layout last night. I was solids and I played a safe off of the 5 to try and get behind the 2, I missed and ended up losing. How would you play this. LOL I must have known I was going to miss or something because I took a picture of the layout before I shot.

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You're cheating us. You left out a crucial ball.

Now that I see the photo, I have shot.

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Fred
 
Cornerman said:
You're cheating us. You left out a crucial ball.

Now that I see the photo, I have shot.

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Fred
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YEP Fred, I missed the extra ball too. LOL
 
Cornerman said:
You're cheating us. You left out a crucial ball.

Now that I see the photo, I have shot.

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Fred
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Opps sorry about that.:o :o :o
 
Thin the five and go straight back up table to the headrail and let him try the long distance combination... maybe the five gets in the way of that.... Other than the risky hide-the-cue-behind-the-8 shot, I don't see much else unless you just bump the two and roll to the corner pocket, leaving him the three ball combo or a bank as Bustah said.

Oh... cornerman beat me to it!
 
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Am I wrong or do I see his ball frozen to your two ball? If thats the case, you don't need to get out or play a safe here. JUst thin the five and nudge it close to the corner pocket. He's got more on the table than you so he'll most likely avoid the cluster tying up his and your ball because he won't want to risk making a mistake and leaving you a two-ball out.

BUT... with your five down by that corner, you'll have no problem using one of the rails to break your two ball out while pocketing the five.
 
I'd have tried either:

1. Put the cue ball behind the 2.

2. Thin cut the five to try to block the corner pocket and left the cue ball on the other end and opposite side of the table. This could block the possible combo. Don't make the five though!
 
So what's wrong with this:

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The only way to really mess up here is to hit the shot too hard and break the 2 ball out. If you don't do that, you've got the nuts. Just whatever you do, don't sink the five until he frees up the two for you, unless you've got an easy break-out shot.

-Andrew
 
Andrew Manning said:
So what's wrong with this:

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The only way to really mess up here is to hit the shot too hard and break the 2 ball out. If you don't do that, you've got the nuts. Just whatever you do, don't sink the five until he frees up the two for you, unless you've got an easy break-out shot.

-Andrew
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That is the shot I tried. :mad: unfortunatly I hit the ball a touch too hard and opened up the table for him.
 
I see ....

Several shots.

1) Go for it shot. Cross corner the 2, take cue 2 rals end for end to get back on 5 ball in corner.

2) Shoot 4 rail bank on 5 ball (going above 14) and bring 5 back down
by 2 ball, and take cue ball over behind the 8 ball. This shot would bring
5 to left of combo, and back off end rail a little to be close to 2 ball.

3) Same as 2 except 3 rail shot to bring 5 ball by the 13 ball, possibly blocking it, and take cue ball over behind the 8.
 
You have the worst of this if you play safe. The safety you have to virtually freeze them on a ball to be in the drivers seat. On Fred's shot I would return that by lagging at the 13 to open the 11/13 up and leave the cueball on the rail just past the side pocket. The fact remains that with two balls left on the table (one being tied up) and your opponent having 5 balls left you have the worst of this imo. I might have been tempted to fire away and
either
a) bank the the 2 cross corner taking the cueball off the endrail with a bit of right and try to come two rails back down table for a look on the 5.
b) Slice the 5 and go into the 12 hopefully full in the face to be left with a cross corner on the two and then hopefully a shot on the 8.

Very tough situation. Against a good player I think your suppose to lose from here.
 
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BillYards said:
Thin the five and go straight back up table to the headrail and let him try the long distance combination... maybe the five gets in the way of that.... Other than the risky hide-the-cue-behind-the-8 shot, I don't see much else unless you just bump the two and roll to the corner pocket, leaving him the three ball combo or a bank as Bustah said.

Oh... cornerman beat me to it!
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That was my shot, too. On the Wei table, it looks like I might try to hit the five just thick enough to go past the 13, to the long rail, then to the head rail. Based on the actual photo, I'd just hit the 5 thin and try to go straight up to the head rail.

Cory
 
Thanks for all the great ideas. Next time I think I'll go for Scotts aggressive pattern cross corner on the 2 then the 5. lol, the irony of it was I've been trying to beat safe play into my team mates and then last night I try a safe shot and sell out.
 
Andrew Manning said:
So what's wrong with this:

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The only way to really mess up here is to hit the shot too hard and break the 2 ball out.
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I think you answered your questioned. Too light or too strong is bad. If you hit it perfectly, you're okay. I don't like the low margin of error.

Fred
 
I just hit the 5 on the left with enough speed so the cue gets to the rail...pretty easy safe with the 2 tying up the 14 and the combo is not a gimme.

3bk
 
Fred had the shot.

and pahroah summed it up... The two is tying up one of his balls so that he has a low percentage of getting out. What you need to be able to do is make a ball as you break out your two. To do that you just thin the five or play it thin against the back rail to sit in front of the corner. Then he'll either break out your two for you going for his ball that's tied up to it, or leave it there and you can play the carom off the two to make the five and have the two broken out.

Either way you have the higher percentage to win in this situation if you play it that way. Going for a cross bank that is low percentage when you give your opponent an easy out by breaking out his ball is kinda stupid IMO.
 
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