Underappreciated Cue Makers Section

Bavafongoul said:
The best cue makers respect the importance of balancing the weight of the shaft with the weight of the cue butt.
I’m not referring to the balance point of the cue but rather the weight ratio of the cue shaft with the overall weight.

Cues falling within that range overwhelmingly tend to be the cues pool players prefer the most, in my experience.
You don’t need years of cue building experience to emulate that approach or long periods of trial and error either.
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Like the shaft being roughly 1/4 the weight of the butt or 20% of the total weight? How tight is the preferred ratio? I seem to like shafts that weigh between 3.5 and 4 oz I think? 🤷‍♂️
 
Bavafongoul said:
The ratio range I calculated to be ideal is between 18% minimum to 23% maximum. I prefer 21-22% for my shafts.
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So let's say on a 19oz cue, you prefer a 3.99 to 4.18oz on the shaft.

and the ideal range is 3.42 to 4.37oz shaft.

Interesting. Just from experience in weighing shafts it sounds reasonable.

I prefer between 3.6 to less than 4.0 I think.

Hell, I'm not even sure. But this math is pretty granular. I don't think I could tell the difference between 3.99 and 4.18.
 
Hungarian said:
So let's say on a 19oz cue, you prefer a 3.99 to 4.18oz on the shaft.

and the ideal range is 3.42 to 4.37oz shaft.

Interesting. Just from experience in weighing shafts it sounds reasonable.

I prefer between 3.6 to less than 4.0 I think.

Hell, I'm not even sure. But this math is pretty granular. I don't think I could tell the difference between 3.99 and 4.18.
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Keep in mind that there is a sweet spot for most players and when you match a shaft with a butt, there are other things to consider, such as does the shaft have a receiver which adds weight to the base of the cue shaft. With my cues, I told my cue makers to build shaft 4 ozs or heavier since the butt’s were 14.5 ozs. The cues have flat faced joints so the shaft weight is just wood, ferrule and tip sans any receiver. Personally. I think 18% is on the low side but i have played with cues with a KW shaft that was on the lighter side for my taste but the darn cue nonetheless played fine. When the shaft is too light, I tend to push the cue ball more with my stroke because my stroke balance seems like it was a short stroke and not as deliberate.
 
Bavafongoul said:
Keep in mind that there is a sweet spot for most players and when you match a shaft with a butt, there are other things to consider, such as does the shaft have a receiver which adds weight to the base of the cue shaft. With my cues, I told my cue makers to build shaft 4 ozs or heavier since the butt’s were 14.5 ozs. The cues have flat faced joints so the shaft weight is just wood, ferrule and tip sans any receiver. Personally. I think 18% is on the low side but i have played with cues with a KW shaft that was on the lighter side for my taste but the darn cue nonetheless played fine. When the shaft is too light, I tend to push the cue ball more with my stroke because my stroke balance seems like it was a short stroke and not as deliberate.
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I have a Cog / G-10 pin. I had Joe Gold build me a set of full 13mm shafts and they were both over 4oz. Felt like logs. I had to cut them down to 3.4 and 3.6. Maybe the G-10 pin has something to do with it.
 
Bavafongoul said:
Keep in mind that there is a sweet spot for most players and when you match a shaft with a butt, there are other things to consider, such as does the shaft have a receiver which adds weight to the base of the cue shaft. With my cues, I told my cue makers to build shaft 4 ozs or heavier since the butt’s were 14.5 ozs. The cues have flat faced joints so the shaft weight is just wood, ferrule and tip sans any receiver. Personally. I think 18% is on the low side but i have played with cues with a KW shaft that was on the lighter side for my taste but the darn cue nonetheless played fine. When the shaft is too light, I tend to push the cue ball more with my stroke because my stroke balance seems like it was a short stroke and not as deliberate.
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I would agree. I don't really care for flat faced shafts much lighter than 3.7. Granted the construction/weight placement of the cue/shaft has a role. Both of my AVID shafts are around 3.75 to 3.8 oz.
 
Hungarian said:
I have a Cog / G-10 pin. I had Joe Gold build me a set of full 13mm shafts and they were both over 4oz. Felt like logs. I had to cut them down to 3.4 and 3.6. Maybe the G-10 pin has something to do with it.
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My guess is that due to the initial weight of your shafts (over 4 oz), coupled with a g10 joint pin, the overall balance point of your cue was too far forward. For my taste, anything north of a 19.25" balance point is a no go.
 
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