Valley 7 ft Keying Question

YaktyYak

YaktyYak

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Hello,

My friend just bought a 7ft valley bar table at an auction sale over the weekend (hadn't been used in a while). The table is a coin op and is missing the keys. I was asking if he can get replacement keys (valley keys work in every valley table scenario) or if there is a pool table technician master key or some how he can break in to the mechanism (ball return or coin slot) with out damaging it or do ya have to replace the key cylinders. Or worst case scenario and hire a locksmith. I personally haven't looked at the table closely. He is sick of putting quarters in his own table to play on it, lol. He was going to try to dig up some information on it and asked if I would do the same. :D

Anyways, whats the best route to go or just hire a table mechanic to solve the problem? Thanks for looking at my thread to help solve this problem.
 
BTW: if anyone has keys available that will work for this table, let me know and I will interested in purchasing them. Probably just 2 sets, one set for back up. Thanks again guys.
 
YaktyYak said:
BTW: if anyone has keys available that will work for this table, let me know and I will interested in purchasing them. Probably just 2 sets, one set for back up. Thanks again guys.
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The keys for the coin doors varied. You can easily drill the lock. Take an 1/8th inch bit and drill the center of the key slit. Then take a 1/4 inch bit and drill the same hole. You will eventualy drill the screw nut off the lock and the door will open. I have drilled at least a hundred arcade game and pool table locks off this way.
 
Seems to me it would be easier to remove the rails and take the slate out. This should give you an opening at least big enough to get your hand in to get to the back of the locks. ;) Even if you drill the locks, if you want to replace them you'll still have to take the slate out to put them in. The barrel locks will have a small 7/16" nut on the back of the lever. There's also a large nut 3/4"?? on the shaft of the lock. There will be a lock on coin door and on the ball window. You should be able to a new pair of locks keyed alike so you only have to keep one key on hand.

I'd be happy to come up and replace them for you, but I don't think you'd like the mileage charge for the 15 minute job. :)

Hope this helps.
 
Club Billiards said:
Seems to me it would be easier to remove the rails and take the slate out. This should give you an opening at least big enough to get your hand in to get to the back of the locks. ;) Even if you drill the locks, if you want to replace them you'll still have to take the slate out to put them in. The barrel locks will have a small 7/16" nut on the back of the lever. There's also a large nut 3/4"?? on the shaft of the lock. There will be a lock on coin door and on the ball window. You should be able to a new pair of locks keyed alike so you only have to keep one key on hand.

I'd be happy to come up and replace them for you, but I don't think you'd like the mileage charge for the 15 minute job. :)

Hope this helps.
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You can drill a lock in 2 minutes. And replace it in another 3 minutes.
 
I am a finish carpenter whose does alot doors with all types of locking mechanisms, i think i can figure it out once I help him get the doors open, =). Thanks for all the help and advice! Appreciate it!
 
depending on the age of the table and if the locks were ever changed
the keys # 512 key or i think 54 key.
easier to remove the rails and slate and unlock them from the inside
scott
 
locks & keys

i can check with on of my vendors and see what a lock set would cost.
It should include 4 locks ( 1 for the access door, 1 for the coin mechanism and 2 for the ball access door.)
 
Garapeto said:
i can check with on of my vendors and see what a lock set would cost.
It should include 4 locks ( 1 for the access door, 1 for the coin mechanism and 2 for the ball access door.)
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You can get the locks at Loews and Home Depot.
 
PoolTable911 said:
You can get the locks at Loews and Home Depot.
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i dont think so
the service door usually were all keyed alike(same key on all tables)
the money door was usually different
scott
 
You can order keyed-alike sets of barrel locks at Happ Controls. You're lucky if they have even heard of a barrel lock at Lowe's and Home Depot. We usually got ours from a local casino supply store. :)

I always ordered mine so that one key fit every lock on the table. I was in a poolroom though, so it made sense that way. In a bar, you may want one key to fit all windows and one for all doors to simplify things for your staff. If the tables is in a garage or in someone's house, it seems to me it would make sense to have one key for the whole table.
 
If the owner is just playing on the table without trying to make money from friends all you need is a 3/8th's hole in upper right corner of the ball drop cover and a dowel rod to slide in and release the balls. One of my friends had one like this in his carport and the dowel stayed in the hole with 2 inches sticking out so you just pushed the dowel in to drop the balls.--Leonard
 
drilled the locks out today, my friend is going to buy replacement parts from happ suzo, thanks all
 
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