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JB Cases

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This is the kind of thing that feels good.

"John
I watched the video 3 X, practiced for 2 hours and won the weekly 9 ball tournament last night. 26 players. only the second time I have won it. I still need a lot more work with it, but it was huge progress. good fun.
I used the safety play and kicking method and was able to kick in the 9 in to win one game. doubt I could have done that before learning from your video.
thank you very much for posting, sharing and teaching.

best regards"

Received in response to this video on Precision Aiming in Safety Play


It seems like those of us who study CTE and other forms of aiming have always been more willing to take the time and put up video demonstrating our concepts.

I invite those who disagree with anything said to upload their own videos in response. The more actual footage we have of people demonstrating the points the more we can move the discussion to a consensus.

So far we have seen Dave Segal, myself, mohrt, Champ and others making videos to demonstrate CTE, 90/90, SEE System, Ferrule Aiming, and so on. But although we see plenty of talking about why these methods are inferior to GB I don't see any actual demonstrations of that.

Let's have less words and more videos! That can only be helpful to everyone.

UPDATE:

Video List:

CTE:

Gerry Williams - 9 Ball Ghost with Pro One/CTE call outs on each shot - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=407YAtWRVH0&feature=youtu.be

Gerry Williams - 9 Ball Ghost using ProOne/CTE - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ap5MlEVTamE

Gerry Williams - 40 Ball Run using CTE Aiming - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d5HaOfEeSHs

Stan Shuffett - Running racks calling out the aiming point and visual sweep - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=48vrXDrjntk

Stan Shuffett - Nine Ball Banks with call outs - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u7-lt-RV-nE

Mohrt - Cross Corner Banks using Manual CTE - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qwdyDAisc6o

Mohrt - Banks with CTE - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZMhCKSU22Uc

Landon Shuffett vs. Earl Strickland ProOne used in the pro ranks - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1HYQjoHjwL4

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SEE Sytem - Ekkes Video Channel - http://www.youtube.com/user/ekkibaer
Among other things Ekkes I think has one here where he runs a 7 pack.

__________________________________________________

General Pool Knowledge:

Mike Page's Video Channel - http://www.youtube.com/user/fargobilliards

Feel free to add more and I will add them to the list. Feel free to copy and paste this list everywhere on the internet. The more people who watch videos about pool the more people will be interested in playing.
 
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John:

That's a fair post and question. I agree with you that it should be a 50/50 push-pull relationship from both sides, in terms of posting demonstrative videos.

However, I'll offer one aspect that might explain the disparity. Giving the benefit of the doubt by putting much of the marketing-type posts aside, much of what is being discussed here in this forum is of a "learning" or "instructional" nature. It seems the very contributors you just mentioned -- yourself, Dave Segal, mohrt are especially included -- are "instructional" in nature, and are equipped with a table and a camera setup just for this purpose. You are publishers, afterall, and are the "usual suspects" when it comes to a steady stream of material.

Most like myself that are not fortunate enough to have ready access to a table, nor a work schedule that would allow time in a pool hall for other purposes besides weekly league or match-up/gambling sets, don't have the wherewithal to be able to put up videos. It's a resource and time (i.e. make best use of it) issue.

However, a recent positive change in my life may allow me to fix that -- where I might be able to play more, and equip myself for video. Even if it's something as simple as a smartphone with a good-enough camera (I refuse to put out jumpy/shaky/blurry videos) and a tripod.

I'll take an action item to fix that on my end. And, to be clear, it's not a "ghostball advocacy" issue with me as much as it is a "you shouldn't be consciously-thinking about aiming" thing. In other words, I couldn't care less what "system" one uses, as long he/she has embedded that, and is able to enjoy the GAME -- where not every utterance out of his/her mouth during game play itself has to do with the topic of aiming.

-Sean
 
JB Cases said:
It seems like those of us who study CTE and other forms of aiming have always been more willing to take the time and put up video demonstrating our concepts.

I invite those who disagree with anything said to upload their own videos in response. The more actual footage we have of people demonstrating the points the more we can move the discussion to a consensus.

So far we have seen Dave Segal, myself, mohrt, Champ and others making videos to demonstrate CTE, 90/90, SEE System, Ferrule Aiming, and so on. But although we see plenty of talking about why these methods are inferior to GB I don't see any actual demonstrations of that.

Let's have less words and more videos! That can only be helpful to everyone.
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I agree. I seriously want to see a demonstration video showing how GB aiming is better than the other systems. I used GB when I was a beginner (11years ago), then went to a fraction system and currently CTE. I have an open mind, abilty to understand and will listen without ridicule. I respect anyone that takes the time to show others information. Your efforts may be challenged but will be much appreciated.
 
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These days I think anyone can find the time to make a short video. I like using my actual video camera only because I can swivel the screen.

I have said the exact same thing as you many times over. I have said if you are doing great with your method and are happy and having fun then don't change. What bothers me is when people make statements that x-method is no good because.....and then can't demonstrate that.

So we get on video and demonstrate x-method WORKING for the situation that they claim it doesn't or cannot work on.

Frankly there is no possible way you can show that you can imagine a fully formed ball. But what you can do is show off the shots you can make and state for the record that this is what you are doing. The people watching can see how you line up what your body is doing while you claim you are seeing a ghost ball and they can attempt to duplicate that. If they then have more success with that then CTE or some other method then great.

I just want to see more good content on this subject of aiming and less writing about it. I don't count you as a anti-system guy. Yes I know you think CTE is overhyped in some ways and you're right. But on the other hand there is the saying it ain't braggin' if you can do it.

I just think that when it comes to shot making challenges the CTE/System crowd consistently puts up better numbers, they put up better videos, such as Ekkes running a 7 pack, mohrt making four or five tough banks in a row, Spidey making the highest score in Colin's shotmaking test, Spidey making 13 of 15 shots on a shot that the challenger said couldn't be made using CTE, me shooting parallel shots using CTE - also shots that people said were impossible to do using CTE.

The list goes on. Not to mention Stan and his family putting themselves on the line financially to produce two DVDS on the subject.

So lets see the counterpoints. I can tell the anti-system crowd this, we are way ahead of you. We get anywhere from dozens to thousands of views per video and thus get people interested in aiming systems. If you want to turn people away from them and save the world's players from learning how to aim with methods other than GB you should get busy. :-)
 
3 runs

During a 2 week period of trying to run 100 on video, my highest 3 runs were in the 80s.

I will post those once I figure out how to do it.

Stan Shuffett
 
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JB, I have watched your vids many times! :)
I still don't know if it will work for me, but keep up the good work!
 
JB Cases said:
These days I think anyone can find the time to make a short video. I like using my actual video camera only because I can swivel the screen.
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Umm, no. Easy for you to say that, because 1.) you're in this business, and 2.) you're already equipped.

Try coming at that from the standpoint of having to negotiate with those in your personal life to get time at the table, and then making best use of that time. ;) But like I said, change-a-comin'.

JB Cases said:
I have said the exact same thing as you many times over. I have said if you are doing great with your method and are happy and having fun then don't change. What bothers me is when people make statements that x-method is no good because.....and then can't demonstrate that.
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I 100% agree. There's a huge disparity there, and those who have the cajones to say aiming systems don't work -- when clearly video proves otherwise -- better get busy demonstrating and quit all the writing.

JB Cases said:
So we get on video and demonstrate x-method WORKING for the situation that they claim it doesn't or cannot work on.

Frankly there is no possible way you can show that you can imagine a fully formed ball. But what you can do is show off the shots you can make and state for the record that this is what you are doing. The people watching can see how you line up what your body is doing while you claim you are seeing a ghost ball and they can attempt to duplicate that. If they then have more success with that then CTE or some other method then great.

I just want to see more good content on this subject of aiming and less writing about it. I don't count you as a anti-system guy. Yes I know you think CTE is overhyped in some ways and you're right. But on the other hand there is the saying it ain't braggin' if you can do it.
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Thank you for that acknowledgement. Concerning the "braggin'" thing, why does it exist to begin with? This is a chicken/egg situation. Think about it.

JB Cases said:
I just think that when it comes to shot making challenges the CTE/System crowd consistently puts up better numbers, they put up better videos, such as Ekkes running a 7 pack, mohrt making four or five tough banks in a row, Spidey making the highest score in Colin's shotmaking test, Spidey making 13 of 15 shots on a shot that the challenger said couldn't be made using CTE, me shooting parallel shots using CTE - also shots that people said were impossible to do using CTE.

The list goes on. Not to mention Stan and his family putting themselves on the line financially to produce two DVDS on the subject.

So lets see the counterpoints. I can tell the anti-system crowd this, we are way ahead of you. We get anywhere from dozens to thousands of views per video and thus get people interested in aiming systems. If you want to turn people away from them and save the world's players from learning how to aim with methods other than GB you should get busy. :-)
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If/when I put out video, it certainly ain't going to be on the topic of "aiming." Rather, maybe a straight pool run, or advanced topics like pattern play, or keyball/breakshots, perhaps some one pocket strategy, etc. If I'm going to expend the time to make a video, it's going to be on topics that are "Phase 2"- or latter-stage-esque. Not "aiming."

We'll see.
-Sean
 
stan shuffett said:
During a 2 week period of trying to run 100 on video, my highest 3 runs were in the 80s.

I will post those once I figure out how to do it.

Stan Shuffett
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Go to youtube and register or login with your gmail account, if you have one.

Go to this page where it is explained how to upload videos longer than 15 mins:

https://support.google.com/youtube/bin/answer.py?hl=en&answer=71673

Than, after doing those steps, go to youtube upload page and select files from disk which you want to upload, or just drag-and-drop them on marked area.
 
sfleinen said:
Umm, no. Easy for you to say that, because 1.) you're in this business, and 2.) you're already equipped.

Try coming at that from the standpoint of having to negotiate with those in your personal life to get time at the table, and then making best use of that time. ;) But like I said, change-a-comin'.



I 100% agree. There's a huge disparity there, and those who have the cajones to say aiming systems don't work -- when clearly video proves otherwise -- better get busy demonstrating and quit all the writing.



Thank you for that acknowledgement. Concerning the "braggin'" thing, why does it exist to begin with? This is a chicken/egg situation. Think about it.



If/when I put out video, it certainly ain't going to be on the topic of "aiming." Rather, maybe a straight pool run, or advanced topics like pattern play, or keyball/breakshots, perhaps some one pocket strategy, etc. If I'm going to expend the time to make a video, it's going to be on topics that are "Phase 2"- or latter-stage-esque. Not "aiming."

We'll see.
-Sean
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And I think that any video you would make would be helpful. I was specifically talking about video-discussion so to speak with points and counterpoints as pertains to aiming or what ever.

For example, Luat made a bank shot in a match and someone posted it for discussion. Someone in the discussion said it couldn't possibly be made with inside english. I went to the table and proved that not only was it possible to make it but it was also possible to bank it long from that seemingly impossible position. Now we could have discussed it back and forth endlessly with words when a little five minute video cleared it up.

As for being equipped, yes I have a table and I have a camera and that's the extent of my equipment. I am the worst video editor on earth. I have zero clue how to compress my videos, I don't know anything other than shoot them on the fly and upload the raw video.

I have made several videos using my phone's camera in the pool room. In fact my very first video on CTE was shot at the pool room with a little flip camera dangerously propped up on the lip of the pocket. I feel that anyone who truly believes in a point on here most likely has access to a video recording device and 5-10 minutes on a pool table.
 
I have this thought, aiming systems are better received through "hands on" instruction.

While a video or book can be very useful, hands on is the best for aiming.

What do you think?

randyg
 
randyg said:
I have this thought, aiming systems are better received through "hands on" instruction.

While a video or book can be very useful, hands on is the best for aiming.

What do you think?

randyg
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For some people, maybe. I was able to learn both the SEE system and Pro One with nothing but the video/book and a little PM/email help from a few people.
 
randyg said:
I have this thought, aiming systems are better received through "hands on" instruction.

While a video or book can be very useful, hands on is the best for aiming.

What do you think?

randyg
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Randy,

I think that is generally true.

As far CTE PRO ONE goes, my DVD2 on that subject should allow any aspiring learner to be successful with the video alone.

Many have learned independently with DVD1. I think DVD1 will always remain as an important work concerning CTE but DVD2 will be vastly superior in many ways.

I am looking forward to its release.

Stan Shuffett
 
sfleinen said:
Most like myself that are not fortunate enough to have ready access to a table
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I knew a guy once who inheritted a house with a pool table in it. He was fortunate indeed to have it. Everyone else I know who is set up to play at home made work/life choices that led to them to it. Fortunate had nothing to do with it.

I had a guy come into my shop once and complain about my prices and said "I would do it myself if I was lucky enough to have a big shop full of tools like you do" Another Obama supporter no doubt.

JC
 
JC said:
I knew a guy once who inheritted a house with a pool table in it. He was fortunate indeed to have it. Everyone else I know who is set up to play at home made work/life choices that led to them to it. Fortunate had nothing to do with it.

I had a guy come into my shop once and complain about my prices and said "I would do it myself if I was lucky enough to have a big shop full of tools like you do" Another Obama supporter no doubt.

JC
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You either missed my point -- which was precisely about my work/life choices -- or else you used this completely out of context (notice the HUGE snip!) so as to use it as a platform for some kind of political soapbox agenda. Take that crap to NPR.

I take responsibility for my work/life choices. And I'm constantly molding them, in the spirit of being a student of life experience itself and of its happiness. And in that regard, nowhere did I ever say I wasn't happy, or that I'm not taking responsibility or accountability for my actions.

So please, understand ENTIRE posts, and respond to the message that the ENTIRE post contains, and not just take snippets or fragments and base an entire response on that fragment.

-Sean
 
Shaky1 said:
JB, I have watched your vids many times! :)
I still don't know if it will work for me, but keep up the good work!
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I doubt anyone can learn CTE properly from my videos. I am more of a cheerleader for the method rather than an instructor. I would never presume to be an instructor until such time as I could first do a complete video without a miss and until I could explain it in such a simple and easy fashion so that an intermediate player could understand the basics in a few minutes.

Watching the folks using Pro-One shows me that I need to really focus on that and learn it inside and out. I can already see that it's way way more powerful than manual CTE.
 
Most like myself that are not fortunate enough to have ready access to a table, nor a work schedule that would allow time in a pool hall for other purposes besides weekly league or match-up/gambling sets, don't have the wherewithal to be able to put up videos. It's a resource and time (i.e. make best use of it) issue.




-Sean[/QUOTE]

I understand where you are coming from, but at the same time for the discussion here maybe you could make a video for us. Just think of it as a match up set and make a little time. I was taught none of these methods or use them, but I am always looking to play better. I was taught you look at the ob and make the cb hit it there and over the 26 years I have been playing I play by memory and I play pretty well.
 
Video List:

CTE:

Gerry Williams - 9 Ball Ghost with Pro One/CTE call outs on each shot - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=407YAtWRVH0&feature=youtu.be

Gerry Williams - 9 Ball Ghost using ProOne/CTE - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ap5MlEVTamE

Gerry Williams - 40 Ball Run using CTE Aiming - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d5HaOfEeSHs

Stan Shuffett - Running racks calling out the aiming point and visual sweep - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=48vrXDrjntk

Stan Shuffett - Nine Ball Banks with call outs - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u7-lt-RV-nE

Stan Shuffett - 28 Ball run with call outs - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qMwOl6DKf-E&feature=youtu.be

DTL - 122 Ball Run Calling out CTE Visuals. - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fE673R079oc&feature=youtu.be

Mohrt - Cross Corner Banks using Manual CTE - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qwdyDAisc6o

Mohrt - Banks with CTE - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZMhCKSU22Uc

Bob Nunley - CTE Visual Sweep Footwork - OUTSTANDING INFORMATION - http://youtu.be/f-SrlXYYzuI

Great performances using CTE: (because we know for certain that these players are using CTE. Of course there are thousands of great performances where the players are NOT using CTE and for whom we literally don't know what if any method of aiming they are using)

Landon Shuffett vs. Earl Strickland ProOne used in the pro ranks - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1HYQjoHjwL4
Stan Shuffett - 70 Ball Run.

DTL - 122 Ball Run Calling out CTE Visuals. - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fE673R079oc&feature=youtu.be
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SEE Sytem - Ekkes Video Channel - http://www.youtube.com/user/ekkibaer
Among other things Ekkes I think has one here where he runs a 7 pack.

__________________________________________________

General Pool Knowledge:

Mike Page's Video Channel - http://www.youtube.com/user/fargobilliards
Dr. Dave Alciatore - http://www.youtube.com/user/drdavebilliards

Feel free to add more and I will add them to the list. Feel free to copy and paste this list everywhere on the internet. The more people who watch videos about pool the more people will be interested in playing.
 
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