Warming up for a match, gambling or otherwise

Cameron Smith

is kind of hungry...
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I was wondering if anybody here makes sure they shoot a few balls on the table they will be gambling on before they actually start the match.

I have been playing this AAA player. Typically I hit some balls for a while and come over to where he usually plays and start playing a set. More times than not the results are disasterous. I end up playing way below my speed and just can't get comfortable at the table. On top of that part of the problem is that he plays with these $500 aramith balls that roll forever and I have been just banging around the club balls.

Anyways it has been suggested to me that before the match starts I should warm up for 10 minutes on the table we will be playing on. I was curious about getting some opinions.

P.S. yes this guy is better than me, but I am about a AA player (from what I am told) so I should be able to keep things close and win from time to time.
 
Just before a tournament starts i like to practice ALONE for about 10 min. Just to loosen up my arm, get a feel for the rails and find the speed of the cloth. Usually another player wanting to warm up will ask if i want to shoot some for practice. I always politely decline now and say i'm just about done and offer to give up the table to him in a few minuts. Practiceing with another player is NOT a good warmup imo and will hurt your game if that's all you did just before a match.

It's also bad manours to practice on the table you will be playing on if the other player has not had time on it yet. If i catch someone warming up on a table that is unfamiliar to me i will take him off that table and play on another open table. If he's practiceing on an "assigned" table, i will ask for "my time" as well, before we start. St.
 
doesn't matter what you do

Your warm-up doesn't matter and may do you more harm than good. When you let him swap balls on you to a set of balls that he knows and you don't, you are giving him a big spot. After warming up you have expectations of how the table will play, however with a different set of balls it plays differently. Those balls that "roll forever" have to come off the rails a bit differently too.

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=Cameron Smith]I was wondering if anybody here makes sure they shoot a few balls on the table they will be gambling on before they actually start the match.

I have been playing this AAA player. Typically I hit some balls for a while and come over to where he usually plays and start playing a set. More times than not the results are disasterous. I end up playing way below my speed and just can't get comfortable at the table. On top of that part of the problem is that he plays with these $500 aramith balls that roll forever and I have been just banging around the club balls.

Anyways it has been suggested to me that before the match starts I should warm up for 10 minutes on the table we will be playing on. I was curious about getting some opinions.

P.S. yes this guy is better than me, but I am about a AA player (from what I am told) so I should be able to keep things close and win from time to time.[/QUOTE]
 
12310bch said:
The path from "AA" to "AAA" is not a straight line but logarithmic.

I like that! A Zen koan seldom uses Western mathematical terms. I'll throw this one into my son's home-schooling curriculum.

Thank you! :cool:
 
Cameron, I need to know a little more about your rating system. I don't know ANY "AA" players that would need to ask about how to warm up. Trust me, I'm not slamming you, but "AA" is a shade below top flight Pros in my book.

On the flip side of things, you need to be able to walk up to any table COLD, and adjust to the speed and conditions quickly. Try playing more 14.1 where you might sit for 30 or 40 minutes between shots. 9 ball IMO is all about pace of play and shot making, and you get to the table more frequently so you get the feel quicker.

As far as warming up, I set up easy 2 or 3 rail stroke shots, and some "Z" shots to find out how I'm seeing/feeling things. I try not to shoot hard shots that I would miss for confidence reasons.

Then I break about 6/8 racks with different speeds and angles and pay CLOSE attention to whats going on.

Gerry
 
Cameron Smith said:
I end up playing way below my speed and just can't get comfortable at the table. On top of that part of the problem is that he plays with these $500 aramith balls that roll forever and I have been just banging around the club balls.

I think you've been shopping Aramiths at Tiffany's. ;) But seriously, as you will see below, it is important to warm up with at least two of the balls that you will be using. Your opponent will permit use of his Aramiths if he has the noblesse oblige of a AAA player. Ask and ye shall receive.

Forget about "ten minutes" or any other opinion of how long it "should" take a "good" player to warm up. If anyone razzes you about the time it takes to do the following warmup routine, just say,

"Show a little respect, please. I am practicing Zen Cueism, walking the Four-Bank Path to Enlightenment and Correct Thinking to perfect my karma, escape the Wheel of Samsara and attain Satori. So screw you."

Their puzzlement will last long enough for you to warm up properly. :D (And now you know where Samsara Cues got their name.)

"Warmup" time is also test-and-calibration time. It has two goals: to begin the process of unifying your body, mind, and spirit, and to eliminate the delusions that you bring to the table.

When you approach an unfamilar table, your mind is full of illusory beliefs about its cloth speed, rail elasticity, levelness, etc. You don't know the table's true nature. What you plan to play upon is a false composite of all other tables on which you have played in the past. You need to replace those delusions with reality, so you must shoot some shots that help determine what that reality is.

First (and this is where many fail), let go of all delusions about past tables! Five hours of "warmup" - or ten minutes of warmup followed by 4:50 of getting your butt whipped - will be of no benefit if you persist in believing that the table is not behaving "as a table should." You will keep shooting as if the table is that composite delusion, and your results will continue to be "disastrous," as you put it. (One definition of insanity is doing the same thing repeatedly and expecting different results.) Approach the table as if you have never played pool upon one before and have no clue how it's supposed to behave. That's more than a one-second mental note to "forget the past." It requires a minute or two of meditation before approaching the table to consciously clear one's mind of delusions.

Second, start with simple measurements of the table's characteristics and work up to more complex measurements that approximate real play.

1. Shoot the cue ball from the head string to the foot rail dead straight, staying down in follow-through position until the ball comes back to strike your cue tip. Do it until it's done right thrice in a row.

2. Lag several times from different points on the head string, until you have a feel for the table's speed, roll-off, and the elasticity of the foot rail.

3. Shoot from left corner pocket to the opposite corner pocket, with just enough speed to reach the target. Note any roll-off. Repeat from left corner pocket to all five other pockets.

4. Bank from the head end's left corner to right corner pocket, giving the cue ball just enough speed to reach its target. Note the foot rail's rebound at the point of impact, the table's speed, and any roll-off.

5. Bank slowly from the left corner pocket, aiming at each diamond on the foot rail, to see if there are variances in the rail's rebound or roll-off at different points on the table. Note the right side rail's characteristics as the cue ball strikes it on those wider banks off the foot rail.

6. Go to the foot end of the table and repeat steps 1 through 5.

7. Bank from a side pocket to each diamond along the opposite side rail, noting yadda yadda yadda...

8. Reverse sides and repeat step 7.

9. Perform some three- and five-rail banks. You know what look for now.

10. Test the object balls and their interaction with the cue ball. A comprehensive test would consist of a set of many different shots (draw, follow, English, head-on, cuts, banks, caroms) applied to each of the 15 balls - but one doesn't have time for that, usually.

Instead, examine the OBs to see if they are consistent. Clean any that need cleaning. Note any pits, scratches, or other imperfections, although there is little that can be done about them. Then choose one OB for your test set of shots.

yes this guy is better than me

No, he is not, unless you make him so in your delusions.

I am about a AA player (from what I am told) so I should be able to keep things close and win from time to time.

Do not permit others - or even your self - to tell you how good you are or who you "should be able to beat". Such opinions are also delusions, being based upon past experience and assumptions about the future. Anything can be made to happen here in the present, if one only pays attention to it.
 
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Gerry said:
Cameron, I need to know a little more about your rating system. I don't know ANY "AA" players that would need to ask about how to warm up. Trust me, I'm not slamming you, but "AA" is a shade below top flight Pros in my book.

On the flip side of things, you need to be able to walk up to any table COLD, and adjust to the speed and conditions quickly. Try playing more 14.1 where you might sit for 30 or 40 minutes between shots. 9 ball IMO is all about pace of play and shot making, and you get to the table more frequently so you get the feel quicker.

As far as warming up, I set up easy 2 or 3 rail stroke shots, and some "Z" shots to find out how I'm seeing/feeling things. I try not to shoot hard shots that I would miss for confidence reasons.

Then I break about 6/8 racks with different speeds and angles and pay CLOSE attention to whats going on.

Gerry

I know your not slamming me, don't worry about it. I don't quite understand the rating systems myself. I have figured my rating is about a AA because I play on par with other AA players in the area and a few of them have told me I am about a AA. On a good day I can beat AAA players on my best day I can beat a pro. But around here AA is a couple levels below a local pro.

I wasn't so much asking HOW to warm up but rather if I should hit a few balls on the table I will be playing on before the match starts. Especially considering that it is practically the only table my opponent plays on. I would think that without this, he would have a huge advantage over me.

I have my own warmups, but directly before a game I throw 15 balls out on the table and run them out. It's not tough, its just a confidence booster. It gives me the belief that I can't ever miss a ball. It's a belief that stays with me even if I do miss.

Dhakala- I'll try to digest your post this evening, that's way too much complicated reading for me right now :D.
 
Cameron Smith said:
I know your not slamming me, don't worry about it. I don't quite understand the rating systems myself.

Ratings are harmful delusions.

I wasn't so much asking HOW to warm up but rather if I should hit a few balls on the table I will be playing on before the match starts.

Then you asked how to warm up - on the table you will use or a different one.

I have my own warmups, but directly before a game I throw 15 balls out on the table and run them out. It's not tough, its just a confidence booster. It gives me the belief that I can't ever miss a ball. It's a belief that stays with me even if I do miss.

Need I describe the value of this delusion?:rolleyes:

Dhakala- I'll try to digest your post this evening, that's way too much complicated reading for me right now :D.

You are wise, Cameron. :) PM me with any questions. Like I said, ask and ye shall receive.
 
Cameron Smith said:
I know your not slamming me, don't worry about it. I don't quite understand the rating systems myself. I have figured my rating is about a AA because I play on par with other AA players in the area and a few of them have told me I am about a AA. On a good day I can beat AAA players on my best day I can beat a pro. But around here AA is a couple levels below a local pro.

I wasn't so much asking HOW to warm up but rather if I should hit a few balls on the table I will be playing on before the match starts. Especially considering that it is practically the only table my opponent plays on. I would think that without this, he would have a huge advantage over me.

I have my own warmups, but directly before a game I throw 15 balls out on the table and run them out. It's not tough, its just a confidence booster. It gives me the belief that I can't ever miss a ball. It's a belief that stays with me even if I do miss.

Dhakala- I'll try to digest your post this evening, that's way too much complicated reading for me right now :D.

If you play good enough to beat a pro every once in a while (and I'm not saying you don't), you should be able to adjust to alot of types of equipment, and you don't even have to hit a ball. Watch the other guy hit some balls on the different table, and just pay close attention to how the balls play. Watch the speed, watch how the rails play, etc. Then make a mental adjustment, and when you first hit a ball on the table in your match, it should tell you what you need to do to adjust.
 
Gerry said:
Cameron, I need to know a little more about your rating system. I don't know ANY "AA" players that would need to ask about how to warm up. Trust me, I'm not slamming you, but "AA" is a shade below top flight Pros in my book.
Gerry

There are two groups of rankings around here Ottawa, Ont Canada.
The SCAB (www.webillard.com), and the ABO (http://www.billardquebec.com/abo/New_page_abo/assoc_outaouais.htm)

Rankings are as follows:
2500+ = Pro
2300-2500 = Semi Pro
2100-2300 = AAA
1900-2100 = AA
1700-1900 = A
1500-1700 = B
<1500 = C

Based on the ranking, there is only one "Pro" in the Ottawa area (John Leblanc 2520 SCAB but he still is rated Semi-Pro) although at least one other Steve Bourada (2415 in SCAB) has won a pro tournament. An AA player would have to be at the top of their game to touch a Pro... and the Pro would have to be very off. Not saying it couldn't happen, but it's unlikely. Luckily for us, there are now a few Semi-Pro tournaments showing up in our area so we can see some dynamite players, or if we want to drop $50, we can give a tournament a try.
 
Thanks for explaining the ratings better better Snorks.

Like he said, I'm good but not great. But I am working on that.

Cuetechasaurus: I've been thinking about my question today and also the match I lost that prompted the question. I am pretty good at adapting to tables, I can pick up the speed fairly quickly. Within a few games I had it down. But I just wasn't comfortable, I just wasn't feeling right. I was probably playing at the speed of a B player.

I think I posted this thread a bit hastily. In retrospect I had already been practicing for 4 hours by myself before the match, so I was a bit tired. I doubt that helped at all. Furthermore this guy is one of the best players in the city (not Ottawa), so I guess I was too focused on that.
 
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