Was this work over or under priced

cnyncrvr

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So I recently did a lot of work on a friends table for their club and one person in the club complained saying that the price was to high and that the rails were covered wrong because the side pockets were done with the hospital fold method.

The table is a valley 7ft bar box It was an old valley as it had the original valley rails with the valley stamped U23 profile cushions on it.

The parts that were ordered consist of the following:

Genuine Valley pocket liners
Genuine Valley gulley Boots
Ridgeback Rails standard edition rails
Championship Invitational with teflon bed cloth
Championship Titan brite rail cloth with custom embroidery
10" horsehair table brush and under rail brush
Case of color matched chalk

Now the work that was performed on the table:

Corner castings had to be removed and broken pocket nails drilled out
Remove and replace gulley boots
Remove and replace pocket liners
Slate was scraped to virgin slate on top, bottom and side (this alone took about 2 hours)
Slate was cleaned with denatured alcohol top bottom and side till white rags came back with no residue.
Cabinet was leveled
Slate checked for warping, and bows in both the vertical and horizontal planes with a 4 foot straight edge.
Cloth was indexed,stretched, secured with 3M 77, pockets closed, cloth trimmed 1 inch under slate remaining cloth secured to bottom of the slate.
Rails covered, making sure embroidery was perfectly centered from side to side on the head rail.
Interior of the cabinet cleaned of all chalk dust, felt pillings, and residue
Slate installed in cabinet and checked for level at all pocket openings in both the vertical and horizontal axis's using a 12" starret level.
Slate removed and shimmed at slate supports in center and sides of cabinet to ensure perfectly level playing field.
Rails installed and aligned to the length of the table for straightness and verified for flush with rail cap laminate before final torquing.
Spot installed.

The last time the table was worked on previous to this was in 1997.

The total cost for parts and labor was $580.00 and the total time spent was about six hours.

Now I am not delusional and admit that I am not an expert by any means in table mechanics and that I would work slower that someone who does this for a living. But am I wrong in feeling insulted and asked by my friend to verify that the way I closed the pockets was one of the right ways to do so. Am I also wrong in thinking that no GOOD table mechanic would have touched this job for anywhere near the price that I charged? I ask because I have personally seen mechanics not remove old glue, not level a cabinet and then the slate inside the cabinet, all they did was slap new felt on in 20 minutes and charged $500.00.

The total cost of the parts was just over $480.00 and I charged my friend $100.00 for the labor.

I will attach a picture of the finished table after I get a few responses to see if I am justified in the way I feel or not.
 
So I recently did a lot of work on a friends table for their club and one person in the club complained saying that the price was to high and that the rails were covered wrong because the side pockets were done with the hospital fold method.

The table is a valley 7ft bar box It was an old valley as it had the original valley rails with the valley stamped U23 profile cushions on it.

The parts that were ordered consist of the following:

Genuine Valley pocket liners
Genuine Valley gulley Boots
Ridgeback Rails standard edition rails
Championship Invitational with teflon bed cloth
Championship Titan brite rail cloth with custom embroidery
10" horsehair table brush and under rail brush
Case of color matched chalk

Now the work that was performed on the table:

Corner castings had to be removed and broken pocket nails drilled out
Remove and replace gulley boots
Remove and replace pocket liners
Slate was scraped to virgin slate on top, bottom and side (this alone took about 2 hours)
Slate was cleaned with denatured alcohol top bottom and side till white rags came back with no residue.
Cabinet was leveled
Slate checked for warping, and bows in both the vertical and horizontal planes with a 4 foot straight edge.
Cloth was indexed,stretched, secured with 3M 77, pockets closed, cloth trimmed 1 inch under slate remaining cloth secured to bottom of the slate.
Rails covered, making sure embroidery was perfectly centered from side to side on the head rail.
Interior of the cabinet cleaned of all chalk dust, felt pillings, and residue
Slate installed in cabinet and checked for level at all pocket openings in both the vertical and horizontal axis's using a 12" starret level.
Slate removed and shimmed at slate supports in center and sides of cabinet to ensure perfectly level playing field.
Rails installed and aligned to the length of the table for straightness and verified for flush with rail cap laminate before final torquing.
Spot installed.

The last time the table was worked on previous to this was in 1997.

The total cost for parts and labor was $580.00 and the total time spent was about six hours.

Now I am not delusional and admit that I am not an expert by any means in table mechanics and that I would work slower that someone who does this for a living. But am I wrong in feeling insulted and asked by my friend to verify that the way I closed the pockets was one of the right ways to do so. Am I also wrong in thinking that no GOOD table mechanic would have touched this job for anywhere near the price that I charged? I ask because I have personally seen mechanics not remove old glue, not level a cabinet and then the slate inside the cabinet, all they did was slap new felt on in 20 minutes and charged $500.00.

The total cost of the parts was just over $480.00 and I charged my friend $100.00 for the labor.

I will attach a picture of the finished table after I get a few responses to see if I am justified in the way I feel or not.

That's welfare pricing, should have been over $700 easy
 
Yes definitely. I agree with RKC, I think they got a real great bargain for the price you quoted.
 
You are more dealing with a psychological problem here than with an actual price problem. He probably thought it would've done with 150 or so.
1997 - wow, about 19 years! That's quite a lot of dirt, too :D

Try to explain and that there were a lot of problems a long the way AND you did want to do proper work for him.

Cheers and try to not let this ruin your friendship, please.
 
The guy is not a friend to even ask. What I would do is say you have a point, let me undo what i did and do the pockets to your critics satisfaction. Once the table was apart, totally brofen down, I would given him his $100 back and tell him you changed your mind. Have him hire someone who could do it to their satisfaction.:thumbup:
 
Your friend is unfortunately the delusional one. I wont give somebody 6 hours of my labor for a paltry $100.00, especially considering how you did such a nice job. I cant tell you how many Valleys I have seen with duct tape hold the cloth at the pocket openings, loose rails, torn/loose pocket liners, & etc..., sounds like you did a first class job on this table.
 
So as it turns out I over reacted to my friend questioning the way the pockets were closed. He asked because he wanted to forward some information like pictures, tutorials, or videos about the way rail ends were closed to the guy that was complaining to shut him up as my friend explained it to me. The guy that complained I guess recovered his own home table and now thinks he is an expert table mechanic. According to my friend everyone else in the club loves the table, says it plays fantastic (As fantastic as invitational cloth can I guess) and looks great.

My friend was there when I redid the table so he saw how much work was involved and he lent a hand here and there.

There were so many things wrong with this table that it would have been easy to just write it off and tell my buddy play on it as it was till it falls apart or just throw it away and buy another table. I see newer valley tables listed in my local craigslist all the time for $300-600 so it would have probably been cheaper but even with that there still would have been a lot of work that would have been needed to get it playing decently.

As for the price, I know I gave them a smoking deal since most of the Mechanics in my area charge a markup on parts, a flat labor rate of $300.00 with an additional labor rate of between $60-85 an hour for any work above that of just the recovering.

A basic recover in my area performed by a "Reputable" mechanic will cost a minimum of $500.00 Add to that all of the parts that were replaced and the extra labor done to the table to make sure it played as good as it possibly could and this job would have cost the club at least $900.00 if not more.

Anyway thanks for all your replies.
 
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That was the finished table. I edited the image for privacy reasons.

Cant say I like the color scheme but to each their own.
 
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