Well it happened...Shane vs Tate US open

Why does the announcer say "In American pool rooms the 4 is purple and the 5 is orange"? Does Europe use different colors than the USA?? Are balls not made in Europe, like Belgium maybe? For at least the last 50 years the 4 has been purple and the 5 has been orange, what kind of brain deficiency must one suffer to think swapping colors between the 4 ands 5 is a good idea??
 
thenaturalpoolplayer said:
Winning at any cost is not truly winning. I see Shane didn't get far in the tournament. Karma.
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Karma?….if there was karma, you wouldn’t be allowed to compete. You are allowed to have your Mickey Mouse ideals but to look down on someone else for NOT having them is a bit disgusting.
You wouldn‘t have fared well in the days of chivalry, where honor was prized, but no quarter was asked for or given.
 
you win because your opponent makes more mistakes than you do. to help him out is being a complete sucker.
of course those that think you should, don't ever get to be winners.
 
You are not allowed to talk to your opponent while they are at the table. Shane did nothing wrong,there was no karma involved.
Joey made the biggest mistake he could ever make, at the worst possible time. I mean he had Shane on the ropes. And Shane new it.
Also Joey took it like a man and owned it. I think we will see alot from him in the future,at least I hope so.
 
fastone371 said:
Why does the announcer say "In American pool rooms the 4 is purple and the 5 is orange"? Does Europe use different colors than the USA?? Are balls not made in Europe, like Belgium maybe? For at least the last 50 years the 4 has been purple and the 5 has been orange, what kind of brain deficiency must one suffer to think swapping colors between the 4 ands 5 is a good idea??
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I’ve been told in Europe they almost exclusively use tournament ball sets (pink 4, orange 5). I get Matchroom being ignorant to the issue. But how could Aramith not anticipate it?
 
Many years ago I was playing a cheap little friendly match and made a brain fart error that had nothing to do with wacky purple 5s...I shot the 8 before the 7. My opponent calmly called foul and said, "Sucks, but it's not like I could tell you". That was the end of any friendly matches between us. If you do this in a basically no consequence fun game you are a complete ass hat. But, in a fiercely competitive game among pros, of course SVB should say nothing and focus on fighting off every urge to fist pump as the kid lines up to give him BIH.

Don't get me wrong, the purple 5 is absurd and should be abolished. That doesn't mean you shouldn't let your opponent shoot it with the 4 still on the table if playing a competitive match.
 
I feel for him, old habits are hard to break. Sometimes I still look for the button on the floor to turn on my bright lights
 
fastone371 said:
Why does the announcer say "In American pool rooms the 4 is purple and the 5 is orange"? Does Europe use different colors than the USA?? Are balls not made in Europe, like Belgium maybe? For at least the last 50 years the 4 has been purple and the 5 has been orange, what kind of brain deficiency must one suffer to think swapping colors between the 4 ands 5 is a good idea??
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Think about this carefully, or not. Dunn mattuh...

Magenta Penta
 
Pool players for the first are starting to make decent money playing the game. They are playing on excellent equipment. It wasn’t that long ago the winner of the us open didn’t know if or when he was getting paid and pro tournaments were being streamed from little pool halls. The game has leaped forward thanks to matchroom sports . I promise you none of the players care about the color of a 4 ball compared to upsides Of matchroom investing serious time and money into the game. the haven’t seen this since the camel tour in the 90’s.
 
WobblyStroke said:
Many years ago I was playing a cheap little friendly match and made a brain fart error that had nothing to do with wacky purple 5s...I shot the 8 before the 7. My opponent calmly called foul and said, "Sucks, but it's not like I could tell you". That was the end of any friendly matches between us. If you do this in a basically no consequence fun game you are a complete ass hat. But, in a fiercely competitive game among pros, of course SVB should say nothing and focus on fighting off every urge to fist pump as the kid lines up to give him BIH.

Don't get me wrong, the purple 5 is absurd and should be abolished. That doesn't mean you shouldn't let your opponent shoot it with the 4 still on the table if playing a competitive match.
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I would say at least once a month, one of us shoots a ball out of order, we don’t tell , we just laugh whilst taking ball in hand. First time I played my buddy in a proper tournament I was 5-2 up race to 9 and shot out of order. He came back to win, my fault not his. And funnily enough he then did the same thing at 8-5 but I still could t get my brain fart out of my head and he won 9-6.
 
Iwishiwasrich said:
You are not allowed to talk to your opponent while they are at the table. Shane did nothing wrong,there was no karma involved.
Joey made the biggest mistake he could ever make, at the worst possible time. I mean he had Shane on the ropes. And Shane new it.
Also Joey took it like a man and owned it. I think we will see alot from him in the future,at least I hope so.
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The way Joey took the mistake, both at the time and on social media, was strong. No excuses, just owning a mistake. He won't make it again and as strong as he played I also believe he has a bright future.
 
Regardless if the players accept their mistakes or not it still doesn't mean that it was smart to swap the 4/5 colors, what exactly was the point? Does it somehow make the game better? Does it make more fans flock to watch? Does it make it easier for anyone to understand what is going on?? If there was a justifiable reason to swap the colors I wouldn't mention it, if the point was to sell more sets of billiard balls I'm guessing the black measles ball and half black 9 ball is enough of a change to get people to buy them. Instead Aramith lost a sale because I would have bought a set with just the black measles cue ball and the half 9 ball but I wont buy a set with the 4/5 color swap. I don't mind spending money on pool supplies either, I bought new Aramith Tournaments, Centennials, and Cyclops when I covered my table the first time and its due to be recovered again, I already have a new Aramith Tournament set and a Super Pro set to use on my new cloth.
 
maha said:
you win because your opponent makes more mistakes than you do. to help him out is being a complete sucker.
of course those that think you should, don't ever get to be winners.
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You sound like someone who has never won anything in their life. Winning without pride is losing. Shane lost.
 
fastone371 said:
Regardless if the players accept their mistakes or not it still doesn't mean that it was smart to swap the 4/5 colors, what exactly was the point? Does it somehow make the game better? Does it make more fans flock to watch? Does it make it easier for anyone to understand what is going on?? If there was a justifiable reason to swap the colors I wouldn't mention it, if the point was to sell more sets of billiard balls I'm guessing the black measles ball and half black 9 ball is enough of a change to get people to buy them. Instead Aramith lost a sale because I would have bought a set with just the black measles cue ball and the half 9 ball but I wont buy a set with the 4/5 color swap. I don't mind spending money on pool supplies either, I bought new Aramith Tournaments, Centennials, and Cyclops when I covered my table the first time and its due to be recovered again, I already have a new Aramith Tournament set and a Super Pro set to use on my new cloth.
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I agree totally...I would have gotten their tournament ones but instead I ordered cylclop.

No more cyclop? Ok I bought Super Aramith Tv Pro-Cup Pool Ball Set x2


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I kinda like these colors after using them for three yrs. No dark colors except the 8. Better contrast...specially on green cloth that isn't lit the best. They are kinda ugly but they play good and the price is right
 

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TrxR said:
Shane didn't lose. He would have lost if he spoke up as you are not aloud to speak to your opponent while he is at the table.
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If that's the case I would have taken the loss. I would have spoken firstly because I don't care what the tournament rules are when they infringe on my ethics...if I see someone making an honest mistake then I will speak up. Winning is a relative thing...not an absolute. If I knew a player was about to commit a foul, and I did nothing to let him know then it makes my character weaker which in turn makes me a weaker player.

It basically comes down to perspective. Shane knew the kid was about to foul. He literally jumped out of his seat in excitement.
Why was he excited? Because Shane was about to lose the game, and have his opponent go hill hill with the break.
Why was he in this position? Because Shane was outplayed.
Does winning because your opponent mixed up ball color that should never have been changed up in the first place tarnish your win, when you saw he was about to foul and said nothing, even knowing it was against tournament rules? Yes.

I am not the only players who think this way...a good example is a snooker match where the ref called a foul after a difficult 3 rail attempt to get out of a snooker, and the player overuled the ref and turned down the foul and resumed shooting.

Here is another example of sportmanship.

Kyron could have just shot, and gone on to win the match, but from his perspective it would have been a loss, and unsportsmanlike. Winning like that is empty, and far worse than losing.
 
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thenaturalpoolplayer said:
If that's the case I would have taken the loss. I would have spoken firstly because I don't care what the tournament rules are...if I see someone making an honest mistake who was clearly on his way to winning then I will speak up. Winning is a relative thing...not an absolute. If I knew a player was about to commit a foul, and I did nothing to let him know then it makes my character weaker which in turn makes me a weaker player.

It basically comes down to perspective. Shane knew the kid was about to foul. He literally jumped out of his seat in excitement.
Why was he excited? Because Shane was about to lose the game, and have his opponent go hill hill with the break.
Why was he in this position? Because Shane was outplayed.
Does winning because your opponent mixed up ball color that should never have been changed up in the first place tarnish your win, when you saw he was about to foul and said nothing, even knowing it was against tournament rules? Yes.

Another example. If/when I am in the US final, and after sinking the 9ball, I touched the cueball when it was clearly not heading to a pocket, and get called a foul. I would not consider that a loss from my perspective. On the flip side, there are wins that I would not consider a win...such as if I was the other player, and the ref called the foul on my opponent who touched the cueball...I wouldn't accept the win, nor the winnings.

I am not the only players who think this way...a good example is a snooker match where the ref called a foul after a different 3 rail attempt to get out of a snooker, and the player overuled the ref and turned down the foul and resumed shooting.
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So, a top notch player should be coaching his opponent? What is player B is eyeing a position on the table that is obviously the wrong play, should Player A stop him and say "You should really play it this way", Or you have a great safe here and should play that instead.

Wrong shot is the wrong shot, decided on by the player whether it is the wrong numbered ball or wrong strategy.

How about on the real battlefield? If a sniper is shooting at a spot 50 feet away, would you stand up and wave your arms shouting "shoot over here!"

Just a couple more absurd comments to add to yours.
 
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