Well the sledge hammer patent got me

WilleeCue said:
Would a two piece phenolic ferrule would be free from those claims?

Just cut the ferrule in half and glue it back on ... now it is a two piece ferrule. I doubt you could even see the line.

Or would the back piece be considered a ring and the front piece the ferrule and tip combo .... this is making my head hurt.

What about inlay designs?
Are they covered by some law?
Think I will start a new thread about them.

Now you are getting in to the area of definitions. Welcome to my twisted world. How broadl is "one-piece"? I don't know. If you cut it in two and affix it back together, I'd argue that it is still "one-piece", but an argument could be made to the contrary. Another bizarre twist to the story could invoke the Doctrine of Equivalence. Essentially, if something is so similar to a patented item, than it is deemed within the scope of the patent claim. A glued back together ferrule could classify.
 
SPINDOKTOR said:
just use a threaded tennon, whitch in theory can be screwed back off, then its not a permenent fixture..



SPINDOKTOR

Actually, the drawings in the patent show the attachment of the ferrule as being screwed-on. Again, another definition problem. What is "permanently disposed". Here, I'd say that if the intent is for it not to move, than it shows permanence. One could make an opposite argument. Frequently in a patent claim, there's an adverb to descibe how something is 'verbed'. So, I'd argue that permanently disposed or permanently attached are terms of art to show that the intent is that the ferrule-tip does not slide or articulate or have some other type of movement.
 
hmmmmm, I see your point.. Damn my head hurts...:D this doesnt happen all that often soooo..some green for you it is!


SPINDOKTOR


Alan said:
Now you are getting in to the area of definitions. Welcome to my twisted world. How broadl is "one-piece"? I don't know. If you cut it in two and affix it back together, I'd argue that it is still "one-piece", but an argument could be made to the contrary. Another bizarre twist to the story could invoke the Doctrine of Equivalence. Essentially, if something is so similar to a patented item, than it is deemed within the scope of the patent claim. A glued back together ferrule could classify.
 
Alan said:
Here are the facts from the public data bases:

U.S. Patent No. 7,097,570 was issued to Mike Gulyassay with three claims. The broadest of which is: ?1. A jump/break cue for jumping a cue ball and for breaking a rack of pool balls, said jump/break cue comprising: a shaft having a striking end region and a second end, wherein said shaft is progressively tapered so as to be more narrow towards said striking end region than said second end, said shaft comprising a tenon extending in one direction from said striking end region; and a one-piece ferrule-tip permanently disposed on said tenon of said striking end region of said shaft, said ferrule-tip comprising a cylindrical body extending in the one direction to form a hemispherically rounded crown and bore for permanently attaching said ferrule-tip to said tenon, said crown serving as the striking tip for a selected one of striking a cue ball and causing the cue ball to jump in response to the cue being inclined relative to a table where the cue ball is resting or driving the cue ball into a rack of balls to break the rack, wherein said ferrule-tip is made of a material having a hardness of 100 on the Shore-D scale.?

A dependent claim in this patent claims ABS.

If you look at the last 10 words or so of the patent claim, you?ll see that there is a severe limitation in the claim - - ?hardness of 100 on the Shore-D scale.? That is probably why he filed a continuation (daughter case) to gain broader coverage.

The daughter case to this patent is still being prosecuted in the U.S. patent office (11/506,324). That case has claims very similar to the issued patent, except the breadth is much broader and includes ? . . . having a material hardness of at least 100 on the Shore-D scale.? A dependent claim to this application includes C-grade phenolic. The record of this case is a bit odd to me in that some of the original claims have been rejected while some of them allowable, yet there is no real differentiation between the two types. We?ll have to wait in see if the patent office notices their logic error. My guess is that they will not and the patent will issue.

There is no recorded assignment or licensing for either the patent or the patent application, so any dealings with them has remained private.

To clear up an earlier notion, to infringe a patent, EVERY element of a claim must be practiced.

There is pre-grant protection available to patentees. Should the daughter patent application issue as a patent with claims substantially similar to the ones published, the owner (or assignee) can seek damages from an infringer back to the time the infringer has notice of the infringing activity.

If all of this sounds confusing, it is. Like many operations run by the government, the rules and statutes have taken over simple concepts and created a huge mess. Throw in some lawyers, and you create an expensive mess.

the patent states a Jump/ Break cue....does this mean u could get away using it on a break cue?

and a one piece phenolic tip/ferrule...is his patent for ALL one piece phenolic tip/ferrules or just ones threaded and screwed on or just slip fitted on?

and rounded crown....can you make a concave center like the x-breakers and not be in any trouble?
 
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