What about the non-smoking?

Diane

Straight Shooter
I just wanted to ask those who attended our tournament (Southern Classic Open) at The Pool Room in Duluth, GA this past week what they thought of our non-smoking facility. I know our room is nice and it sure helps things stay alot cleaner, but did you ever think it work in the pool world? Just curious for some feedback.
 
Smoke free environments are the ONLY way to go.
I will not play in a tournament where smoking is permitted, period.
 
This to me is the biggest plus of your new room...I think even non-smokers must admit it makes it a nicer atmosphere.

IMO:
I think that a non-smoking room will never stop smokers from attending such an event; but a smoking room will keep away non-smokers...
 
cuechick said:
This to me is the biggest plus of your new room...I think even non-smokers must admit it makes it a nicer atmosphere.

IMO:
I think that a non-smoking room will never stop smokers from attending such an event; but a smoking room will keep away non-smokers...


I didn't attend but was thinking of riding down to check out the place. I don't suppose I will now though, I'd have to spend most of my time outside. Good luck with it though.
 
Devils advocate ..

Didn't attend the tournament, but I am an old time
Pool player, gambler, and smoker.

I would suffer through a tournament if it was a good
tournament. If it was so-so, I wouldn't.

Being a smoker and a gambler, I would not hang out
there, nor would I gamble there. Opponents get a
little upset during a $500 or $1,000 set when you
stop the match to go outside to smoke. Right or wrong,
if I am involved in a tight tense match and I want to
smoke, I want it right then, not 20 minutes later.

And for all those that are going to express health concerns,
I have smoked over 43 years, and just had chest x-rays
2 months ago and they are perfectly clear because I
have always watched my diet and exercised my whole life.

Live and let live...
 
Diane, many people told me that they were happy it was a non-smoking event. It definately didn't hurt the attendance. Many told me that they wouldn't have stuck around or came a to watch the event if there was smoke in the air.

For those that did smoke, stepping outside to take a break and socialize was not a problem. Many of them even told me they didn't mind.

I was outside on occasion and never noticed anty big crowds. It seemed that most people didn't smoke anyway so it didn't affect them.

Mj
 
Diane said:
I just wanted to ask those who attended our tournament (Southern Classic Open) at The Pool Room in Duluth, GA this past week what they thought of our non-smoking facility. I know our room is nice and it sure helps things stay alot cleaner, but did you ever think it work in the pool world? Just curious for some feedback.
Diane,

The non-smoking rule is the only complaint I heard concerning the room during the tournament. I don't smoke, so I thought it was great. There were a few people that I heard complain, though.

A good friend of mine opened a room in Greenwood, SC a couple of years ago. Being health conscious, he tried it as a non-smoking room, but it failed. After around 6-8 month, he allowed smoking and business picked up. I think, though, that Atlanta is big enough city and there are enough non-smoking players to support a room and let it be profitable.

Many players, gamblers, and people in general smoke. But with all the other amenities that the room offers, I think that going outside to smoke occasionally is a small price to pay.

Mike
 
Snapshot9 said:
And for all those that are going to express health concerns,
I have smoked over 43 years, and just had chest x-rays
2 months ago and they are perfectly clear because I
have always watched my diet and exercised my whole life.

Live and let live...

Scott,

I'm not sure what you mean by this. Are you implying that your clean bill of health means that cigarette smoke, first or secondhand, is not harmful? Surely not (I hope). The connection to numerous diseases is undeniable, though there are lucky few (yourself included) who escape unscathed.

As a non-smoker, I find the presence of cigarette odor in a room absolutely repulsive. When I went to the Mohegan Sun for the ICOC I got the worst headache because of the smoking on the floor - and they have very good air circulation/filtration even. I really don't think I could play in a smoking pool room again. Fortunately I live in Massachusetts where I don't have to.

In all honesty, I feel that we non-smokers should not have to sacrifice our health simply for the convenience of the smoking crowd. It seems more reasonable for a smoker to take a step outside for the occasional puff than to have the non-smoker endure the discomfort and the health hazard of secondhand smoke. This only seems logical.

From a room owner's standpoint it makes perfect sense to have a non-smoking room. Not only do ash and butts contribute to a dirty atmosphere, but air pollution definitely affects the cloth and furniture.

With new studies and advertisements about the risk of smoking, as well as the ridiculous cost of cigarettes, I imagine that the number of new smokers in younger generations will decrease considerably. Also, many lifetime smokers will quit. My father quit smoking after 30 years or so, and he will be the first to tell you how happy he is that he did.

You say "live and let live", but you are contributing negatively to my health by putting your smoke in my lungs. I won't go as far as to say that you are killing me in doing so (as some do), but you certainly aren't helping me live.
 
In 2006, Montreal is supposed to be going smoke free in all bars and restaurants. I have not found any yet that already go smoke free but I can't wait.
 
Diane said:
I just wanted to ask those who attended our tournament (Southern Classic Open) at The Pool Room in Duluth, GA this past week what they thought of our non-smoking facility. I know our room is nice and it sure helps things stay alot cleaner, but did you ever think it work in the pool world? Just curious for some feedback.


Hi Diane,
I always thought that if pool halls are managed like any other successfull buisinesses,pool halls can make money.Getting the feedback from the customers is a good way to promote the buisiness.Diane,I know that u as a manager of that place,going to make it a very profitable buisiness.Keep up the good work.
By the way ,are u planning on designating few tables for action only? If u want to designate any tables for gamblers,that is fine with me.In the absence of such policy,if a gambler comes to my table and asks me to move to another table,I will call the police and file a complaint against the owner of the place for fostering hooliganism.Cheers
Vagabond :cool:
 
Diane said:
I just wanted to ask those who attended our tournament (Southern Classic Open) at The Pool Room in Duluth, GA this past week what they thought of our non-smoking facility. I know our room is nice and it sure helps things stay alot cleaner, but did you ever think it work in the pool world? Just curious for some feedback.

I'm a smoker (along with a vast majority of pool players) and I prefer not to frequent non-smoking rooms, unless they are *extremely* nice or if there is something exciting going on. Just my personal preference. I wouldn't say it is the ONLY way to go.
 
Snapshot9 said:
And for all those that are going to express health concerns,
I have smoked over 43 years, and just had chest x-rays
2 months ago and they are perfectly clear because I
have always watched my diet and exercised my whole life.

Live and let live...

That has to be one of the all time most ignorant opinions I hear (from time to time). Denial ain't just a river in Egypt...

If you think proper diet and exercise will fight off the effects of smoking, then there are many doctors, scientists and people dying of smoke related illnesses that will say other. I hope for your sake, you stay healthy.

By the flip side, I think smokers have their right to smoke anywhere they want EXCEPT when their smoking forces others to second-hand smoke against their wishes.


Eric
 
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Im against smoking, Smoke irritates my eyes, and I think i might be allergic to it, no offense to anyone, but I cant tolerate smoking...


2wld4u
 
maybe, but ...

Eric. said:
That has to be one of the all time most ignorant opinions I hear (from time to time). Denial ain't just a river in Egypt...

If you think proper diet and exercise will fight off the effects of smoking, then there are many doctors, scientists and people dying of smoke related illnesses that will say other. I hope for your sake, you stay healthy.

By the flip side, I think smokers have their right to smoke anywhere they want EXCEPT when their smoking forces others to second-hand smoke against their wishes.


Eric

Hey, I don't tell you how to live, don't tell me ... okay?
Second hand smoke is not absolute, that's why the word MAY is
on cigarette packs. Hell, half the cities across the country have
smog that is worse than any second hand cigarette smoke they
might be exposed to. Back when I was growing up, you might have
just been called a pansie, but I think it is because you haven't
sinned enough to be more tolerant of us sinners ... lol

Why don't we just restrict fat people to certain menu items in a
pool room, the ones without fat ...
see where this going ... I grew up in the 60's & I did 3 tours of Nam,
so it would be best to let this die where it is ...
 
i think players should descide. i always ask if they dont mind. and most dont. if someone is really alergic or astma or anything, ofcourse i wont smoke. and we descide after X frames, there is a small 5min break for smoking.

normally in my country its not alowed to smoke during tournaments or any public place. but the law isnt respected and im glad of it. smoking is somethig players and not some politician should descide.
 
Snapshot9 said:
Hey, I don't tell you how to live, don't tell me ... okay?
Second hand smoke is not absolute, that's why the word MAY is
on cigarette packs. Hell, half the cities across the country have
smog that is worse than any second hand cigarette smoke they
might be exposed to. Back when I was growing up, you might have
just been called a pansie, but I think it is because you haven't
sinned enough to be more tolerant of us sinners ... lol

Why don't we just restrict fat people to certain menu items in a
pool room, the ones without fat ...
see where this going ... I grew up in the 60's & I did 3 tours of Nam,
so it would be best to let this die where it is ...

By no means do I want to sart a fight, but, I think that you shpuld be alowwed top smoke if you want. But I don't like to smoke, therefore I shouldn't be forced to, and to me second hand is no better or worse than first hand (but mighty cheeper :p ). If a room owner wants to have smokers that should be their choice, but I shouldn't have to smoke, and if a room is a smoking room I won't play in it (I'm from MA). I wish you all the very best and hope your health stays top knoch.

Pete
 
Snapshot9 said:
Hey, I don't tell you how to live, don't tell me ... okay?
Second hand smoke is not absolute, that's why the word MAY is
on cigarette packs. Hell, half the cities across the country have
smog that is worse than any second hand cigarette smoke they
might be exposed to. Back when I was growing up, you might have
just been called a pansie, but I think it is because you haven't
sinned enough to be more tolerant of us sinners ... lol

Why don't we just restrict fat people to certain menu items in a
pool room, the ones without fat ...
see where this going ... I grew up in the 60's & I did 3 tours of Nam,
so it would be best to let this die where it is ...

Scott,
We don't tell fat people what they can and can't eat simply because it has absolutely no effect on others. Likewise with drinking. I don't like it when people get all drunk and stupid, but I'm in no position to tell them otherwise. Smoking, however, is different. Since smoking releases unpleasant aromas and toxic smoke into the atmosphere around the smoker, it then becomes an issue with other people. I guess the argument could be made that the drunk releases unpleasant odors, and toxic substances into the atmosphere, but at present there exists no correlation between flatulance and lung cancer.

So you were in 'nam?
.....
 
Snapshot9 said:
Hey, I don't tell you how to live, don't tell me ... okay?
Where did I tell you how to live?
Second hand smoke is not absolute, that's why the word MAY is
on cigarette packs.
That's my point too. May means it might or might not. Either way, I don't care for smokers to take chances with my health, against MY wishes.
Hell, half the cities across the country have
smog that is worse than any second hand cigarette smoke they
might be exposed to. Back when I was growing up, you might have
just been called a pansie, but I think it is because you haven't
sinned enough to be more tolerant of us sinners ... lol
You must assume alot in life; not the smartest way to go, but hey, it's your life. FWIW, I'm a former smoker.

Why don't we just restrict fat people to certain menu items in a
pool room, the ones without fat ...
What don't you get? What people eat, sitting next to me, DOESN'T affect MY health. A smoker sitting next to me, smoking, forces me to smoke AGAINST my wishes. Get it?
see where this going ... I grew up in the 60's & I did 3 tours of Nam,
so it would be best to let this die where it is ...
What the hell is this supposed to mean? Is this some kind of lame, paper tiger, pathertic threat? If so, I'm laughing at you. If not, my apoligies.


I love when people talk about their rights, yet don't give a sh!t about others.


Eric
 
Snapshot9 said:
Hey, I don't tell you how to live, don't tell me ... okay?
Second hand smoke is not absolute, that's why the word MAY is
on cigarette packs. Hell, half the cities across the country have
smog that is worse than any second hand cigarette smoke they
might be exposed to. Back when I was growing up, you might have
just been called a pansie, but I think it is because you haven't
sinned enough to be more tolerant of us sinners ... lol

Why don't we just restrict fat people to certain menu items in a
pool room, the ones without fat ...
see where this going ... I grew up in the 60's & I did 3 tours of Nam,
so it would be best to let this die where it is ...

Yeah, that's right and why we're at it, why don't we let people just drink as much as they want and drive 90 miles an hour? I mean come on, if they kill some innocent people, who happen to be on the same highway, well hell, they didn't have to take that road, right? I mean why should some one have to pay to take a cab just to avoid the possiblity that they may kill someone? That is just stupid.

:mad:
 
I have cardio-vascular problems and know that I should quit. I would never encourage anyone to smoke. I wish I could throw em down and never smoke another one. But, alas, it seems that I am weak when it comes to this addiction. Please, no suggestions on how to do it.

One thing I do hope is that if I am ever able kick this curse, I don't whine when someone lights up near me.
 
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