what do you cut a one piece with?

[BarenbruggeCues]

I have a metal cutting band saw that can drop down and cut a 57 inch cue in half. But cutting a one piece cue in the middle on a normal band saw does not compute to me. I cut 30 inch shafts in half on my 16 inch band saw to make coring dowels, but not sure how to reach that middle point on a wood cutting band saw like most cuemakers own.

Think outside of the box. Most full length cues you are only cutting the save the butt or on rare occasion the shaft.
Most of the time the shaft is so warped it's kindling for the individuals living in a cold winter state.
If you are trying to save both halves (which I'm not sure why) just cut on an angle. Face both halves off.
Takes 5 seconds to whack one in half.

 

[SSDiver2112]

It is pretty straight forward if the shaft is straight, and you are just making a true sneaky pete.

Part the cue in half. Face it off. Drill and bore the hole for the pin. Set the pin.
Face off the shaft. Drill and bore for treading or an insert depending on your pin.
Done.

Adding a joint collar just adds that step.

If the shaft is no good, then just the steps for the butt and then screw on a shaft.

 

[DeeDeeCues]

Think outside of the box. Most full length cues you are only cutting the save the butt or on rare occasion the shaft.
Most of the time the shaft is so warped it's kindling for the individuals living in a cold winter state.
If you are trying to save both halves (which I'm not sure why) just cut on an angle. Face both halves off.
Takes 5 seconds to whack one in half.

100%.

 

[jtrujillo707]

I think maybe he thought of the obvious and maybe thought, it can't be that easy.

20 years ago I asked a cue maker friend about getting weight bolts to size. I thought it was probably done on a lathe which I was new to. He said, cut it with a hack saw.

The upside to stupid questions is they usually end up being someone's entertainment.

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Thanks everyone for the helpful responses. I know that I can just cut it. I didn't know if there was a "standard" way that it was done. You don't know what you don't know, you know? lol.

I know I can learn by doing, but I can also learn by asking knowledgeable people. Thank you guys.

 

[jtrujillo707]

Think outside of the box. Most full length cues you are only cutting the save the butt or on rare occasion the shaft.
Most of the time the shaft is so warped it's kindling for the individuals living in a cold winter state.
If you are trying to save both halves (which I'm not sure why) just cut on an angle. Face both halves off.
Takes 5 seconds to whack one in half.

The reason i am/was trying to save the shaft is because it's still straight after banging around at a pool hall for at least 10 years. It seems like at this point it ain't warping, no?

 

[GBCues]

Well, a detail that no one has mentioned is this:
Because the whole cue is tapered, once you cut it into 2 pieces, the diameters of the front and back (or top and bottom if you prefer) will no longer mate up. Inserting a collar, or collars, kind of defeats the whole "Sneaky Pete" concept of having a two-piece cue that looks like a one-piece bar cue.
There are a couple of ways of fixing that, but suddenly your "easy peasy" Sneaky from a one-piece bar cue is not so easy.
YMMV
Gary

 

[BarenbruggeCues]

The reason i am/was trying to save the shaft is because it's still straight after banging around at a pool hall for at least 10 years. It seems like at this point it ain't warping, no?

So now you are tied to the taper that is on the one pc shaft? Isn't that a big part of the reason for wanting to create a "sneaky"? Being able to put your tapered shaft on a house cue looking butt? So you can dupe your opponents into thinking you don't have a clue what you're doing between the rails?
LOL

 

[Coos Cues]

The reason i am/was trying to save the shaft is because it's still straight after banging around at a pool hall for at least 10 years. It seems like at this point it ain't warping, no?

Most older house cues are short of 58 inches anyway so using the entire thing ends up with a short cue just like it was before minus what you cut out in the center.

A two for one can work good. One has an ugly butt and is straight. You use the shaft wood cutting it extra long and then cut the good butt a little long too. You end up with a few extra inches of shaft wood before you get to the splice so even if the tip is messed up you can make a nice shaft out of it. When I started out this is how I did my conversions.

There is a fine line between gate keepers and ass hats. This forum has had it's share of both over the years.

 

[jtrujillo707]

So now you are tied to the taper that is on the one pc shaft? Isn't that a big part of the reason for wanting to create a "sneaky"? Being able to put your tapered shaft on a house cue looking butt? So you can dupe your opponents into thinking you don't have a clue what you're doing between the rails?
LOL

im not tied to anything because I can always make a shaft for it if I choose to. It's not like you can only do one shaft. Plus I figure its good practice since it will be my first attempt. I have two turned shafts from Hightower.

 

[jtrujillo707]

Most older house cues are short of 58 inches anyway so using the entire thing ends up with a short cue just like it was before minus what you cut out in the center.

A two for one can work good. One has an ugly butt and is straight. You use the shaft wood cutting it extra long and then cut the good butt a little long too. You end up with a few extra inches of shaft wood before you get to the splice so even if the tip is messed up you can make a nice shaft out of it. When I started out this is how I did my conversions.

There is a fine line between gate keepers and ass hats. This forum has had it's share of both over the years.

That's a good idea. I have two shafts from Hightower also. So if the og shaft is a fail I can make a new shaft for it. So far I have three house cues that I have acquired. This particular one is a no-name house cue which is why it's my first sacrifice lol.

I have a Dufferin and a Valley House cue. the valley house cue has some bird's eye maple on the butt, and curly maple all through the shaft section. It's too bad the shaft section is warped. but the butt is nice so I'm excited about that one.

 

[Canadian cue]

I'd argue that more gatekeeping was needed about a decade ago. It does no good for the industry to have a guy think he's a cuemaker because he read a book and produced a crappy piece of wood without any understanding.

IMO The gatekeeper is the consumer, it is they who needs to be educated on what is the difference between quality work and not. If a maker puts out bad work, they won't last very long. They will put out cues for a short while and then all their work will come back to haunt them and eventually word gets out and they will no longer get any work. So for any new inspiring cue makers, don't sell your work until you know your work is up to standard. Have an experienced maker look over your work and let them scrutinize it. Tell them not to hold back any punches. Politeness won't do you any favors.

 

[DeeDeeCues]

IMO The gatekeeper is the consumer, it is they who needs to be educated on what is the difference between quality work and not. If a maker puts out bad work, they won't last very long. They will put out cues for a short while and then all their work will come back to haunt them and eventually word gets out and they will no longer get any work. So for any new inspiring cue makers, don't sell your work until you know your work is up to standard. Have an experienced maker look over your work and let them scrutinize it. Tell them not to hold back any punches. Politeness won't do you any favors.

That isn't gate keeping. If we want to keep with the medieval analogy, that is an uprising.

The ability for anyone to call themselves a cuemaker has caused public distrust for a lot of cuemakers. The ACA should have addressed this when they were relevant. They had a panel doing what's you suggest for quality, but they should have revoked membership for makers who didn't deliver on their promises. That is gate keeping, make it hard to get in and hard to stay in. What we have is too many prima Donna makers acting like royalty and pissing on the peasants.

 

[Canadian cue]

That isn't gate keeping. If we want to keep with the medieval analogy, that is an uprising.

The ability for anyone to call themselves a cuemaker has caused public distrust for a lot of cuemakers. The ACA should have addressed this when they were relevant. They had a panel doing what's you suggest for quality, but they should have revoked membership for makers who didn't deliver on their promises. That is gate keeping, make it hard to get in and hard to stay in. What we have is too many prima Donna makers acting like royalty and pissing on the peasants.

Why do we need an intermediate group between the consumer and maker? The consumer is who decides in the end if a product makes the grade. A true competitive market system will look after itself.

 

[DeeDeeCues]

Why do we need an intermediate group between the consumer and maker? The consumer is who decides in the end if a product makes the grade. A true competitive market system will look after itself.

I thought I made it pretty clear. Self policing would elevate consumer trust.

 

[Canadian cue]

I thought I made it pretty clear. Self policing would elevate consumer trust.

And also leads to corruption and people who try and control a market for a small group of Indvidual's best interest.

 

[Kim Bye]

The way I look at it, when converting a house cue, the shaft part is firewood anyway. As @BarenbruggeCues said, just chop the shaft in small pieces and throw it in the fireplace. Cut the butt slightly longer than you need so you can face off between centers.