What Do You Hate To See In A Cue?
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JimBo said:
Jim,
First, you're full of crap. You have never tried to sell a Skip cue and you can claim nothing about the saleability of a Skip cue. PERIOD. His style change is why he got these orders flowing in. It's funny you try to say something as fact and the reality is all these orders are for traditional style cues. You're a bad guesser and it really shows. BTW people only noticed when he started doing more conventional design, but he still does his own thing in addition to what people want. Its called a "custom" cue maker.
Let me ask you a question Mr. Bartender... do you make up your own drinks or do you make known drinks? I mean really, someone else invented the Tom Collins or Sex on the beach and you have NO problem copying them, right? But then again maybe you would like to claim to be the originator of the rum and coke?
Joe (--just a question
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ridewiththewind said:I have heard that Skip's slotted diamonds are pretty remarkable, which is probably the ONLY reason I opted for them in this cue over the solid diamonds. Thanks Sean, it's nice to know that what I have heard is true.
Lisa
Don't get much better than this...
http://classiccues.com/graphics/cues/cc_tg_butt2.jpg
And Jay on the board has seen this cue up close and personal.. ask him about not only the looks.. but how he thought it played...
Joe
pharaoh68
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bruin70 said:who does this ?
Ernie Gutierrez does it on some of his cues. I've seen one or two with a Gina logo on the buttcap and then an Ernie Gutierrez signature on the forearm between the top of two points BUT it was an ebony forearm and the signature was written in dark ink making damn near invisible to the naked eye so I don't know if that counts.
pharaoh68
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classiccues said:
Joe-
I usually am NOT a Skip Weston fan. I owned a cue of his about a year ago that was one of the worst playing cues I've ever owned. However, it was an early Skip. Still, it made me sawear off that cuemaker altogether.
I've played with some of his newer ones and, they seem to hit well. But this cue, and the other fancy Skips that you have posted are making me seriously reconsider my opinion (Yes Roger! I just said that!). From the first time you posted this cue, I've been intrigued and am now contemplating the possibility of ordering a fancy Skip.
-Brian
classiccues said:
I don't claim anything other then the fact that some guys are artist and care about what they do, others just want to make sales or let others push them in a direction and believe it's good for them. Sometimes what's easy isn't what's right and sometimes what's right doesn't make the most money. Sad but true. The good news is it seems the people who do the right things always win out in the end and they also sleep better.
Jim
I had a girl once,she was a true artist when it came to making my evening martini.She had unbelieveable artistic talents in many areas.I miss her from time to timeJimBo said:
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OK, here's my list of preferences/dislikes:
Prefer:
-Ebony/Ivory cues
-matched point wood with butt sleeves
-highly figured bird's eye maple forearms
-black iguana-skin leather wrap
-razor sharp high/low points, which point lengths being even at each respective level
-sharp cornered inlays
-crisp, well-drawn scrimshaw ivory inlays
Dislikes:
-Plastic windows and other transparent inlays (well, depends on whole cue!)
-MoP, abalone, or other similar multi-colored inlays (ditto)
-brightly colored linen wraps outside of black/white
-rounted points/inlays
-ebony points on dark stained wooden forearms - can't see the points!
-most colored pictures - looks too cheap/wierd
-most bare/plain, unadorned cues, sneaky-petes in general
Prefer:
-Ebony/Ivory cues
-matched point wood with butt sleeves
-highly figured bird's eye maple forearms
-black iguana-skin leather wrap
-razor sharp high/low points, which point lengths being even at each respective level
-sharp cornered inlays
-crisp, well-drawn scrimshaw ivory inlays
Dislikes:
-Plastic windows and other transparent inlays (well, depends on whole cue!)
-MoP, abalone, or other similar multi-colored inlays (ditto)
-brightly colored linen wraps outside of black/white
-rounted points/inlays
-ebony points on dark stained wooden forearms - can't see the points!
-most colored pictures - looks too cheap/wierd
-most bare/plain, unadorned cues, sneaky-petes in general
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classiccues said:
Stop it, Joe! You're getting me all twitterpated!! By-the-by, have you seen my cue in-progress yet?
Lisa
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Glad to see that this topic was a good one, but cringing from the bad reviews of Richard Black. I doubt I would have started the subject had I known that he would take some lumps.
I have owned 4 of his cues, gained one at a time from 1990 until this year, at which time I traded around and ended up with one RB remaining and a Black Boar (and cash).
The cues that I owned had nice handmade craftsmanship. Sure they were not flawless, but nearly so, and they definately looked and felt like custom cues. Also, I played with three of the cues for a minimum of... oh, 1000 hours apiece, the fourth I played for 5 hours. And I thought the hit was consistent for all of the cues and, though a soft hit, I thought they felt fantastic.
Also, as far as service goes, he has always been very responsive and available for e-mails and phone calls. I guess every cue maker has their 'groupies' and detractors. I think RB has really contributed to the art of cuemaking through design and craftsmanship and promoting awareness and interest in high-end cues. He is also the only cuemaker I know of that has had a solo exhibition at an art museum.
I don't have my Black Boar yet, and know that it will play differently than the RB's. I will post what my findings are after I have had a few hours to knock the balls about.
I have owned 4 of his cues, gained one at a time from 1990 until this year, at which time I traded around and ended up with one RB remaining and a Black Boar (and cash).
The cues that I owned had nice handmade craftsmanship. Sure they were not flawless, but nearly so, and they definately looked and felt like custom cues. Also, I played with three of the cues for a minimum of... oh, 1000 hours apiece, the fourth I played for 5 hours. And I thought the hit was consistent for all of the cues and, though a soft hit, I thought they felt fantastic.
Also, as far as service goes, he has always been very responsive and available for e-mails and phone calls. I guess every cue maker has their 'groupies' and detractors. I think RB has really contributed to the art of cuemaking through design and craftsmanship and promoting awareness and interest in high-end cues. He is also the only cuemaker I know of that has had a solo exhibition at an art museum.
I don't have my Black Boar yet, and know that it will play differently than the RB's. I will post what my findings are after I have had a few hours to knock the balls about.
To be honest, I have had it up to here with the 10,000 McDermotts for sale on Ebay!!!! I would think that posting the cues one at a time would get more buyers for the cues... the shotgun method of posting three to eight of the same cue is just a turn-off....
Save trees. Stop this madness!!
Save trees. Stop this madness!!
claymont said:WHITE DELRIN BUTT CAPS
Lol, I ran into this issue with my new cue. I considered real ivory for a butt cap, but given its fragile nature, I decided to go with something more durable. EDIT: This is also the same reason I went with SS joint over ivory.
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Jim: How would you know if I've ever tried to sell one? and what does that have to do with what I typed, it's your opinion that his earlier stuff was ugly, not mine I happen to like it, we share differing opinions. Are you here to say that if he refused to make "traditional style" cues he'd be out of business?
Because I know you don’t sell. Another thing, your reply has nothing to do with my reply to your idiotic statement about why his cues sell. You are totally off base and that’s not just an opinion. No he probably wouldn’t be out of business, BUT he would have no where near his recent success. This is something you have no familiarity with, but like other things I know your lack of experience will justify some out of whack comment you will make.
Jim: Again your opinion. But the question will remain, do you feel if he kept making them the old way he wouldn't sell any?? It's very hard to say when or why certain cues start to sell IMO, I've seen guys who have done the same thing for years get very popular very fast, sometimes it's word of mouth and sometimes it's just getting the product out there for people to see.
It’s not my opinion. It’s a fact. I know this because I tried to sell his early stuff, and I know it didn’t sell. Again a fact from experience.
Jim: All my posts are my opinion Joe, you are the one who always thinks he has facts, I'm just giving an opinion and it's not yours so you get all wound up, chill baby, have a shot of wild turkey.
I do have facts, especially when talking about Skip and his cues.
Jim: Not when custom means you change your style for sales, again Joe it's not always about sales, some guys are artists, some are just in it for a buck, but I think we both know that Skip doesn't sell cues to pay his bills.
So now you are the dictator of what custom cuemaker means? Interesting. BTW it was about sales, when Skip started the transition into more traditional cues, he was doing cues as his primary source of income. Just another fact, you want to neglect.
Jim: I'm not an artist, I'm a bartender, there is no creativity when it comes to pouring beer, almost any moron can do it. But bartending isn't the same type of thing and trying to compare it just shows ignorance.
The comparison is simple. You COULD spend time inventing new drinks if you wanted to. But the fact is you sell the “traditional” drinks that people ask for. Cause no one might want to try a glass of JImbotalltale or a shot of “Connecticut Crack in a glass”…
I know this is hard for you to comprehend, Skips cues by design are different than any cue past or present. He chooses to add decoration (inlays) in patterns that people are very happy and familiar with. You can see just in this thread there are many people who like that style. So there is a market for that style.
Skip tomorrow could decide to do computerized inlay patterns, pump out 15-20 like cues, and call them a "series". (biggest joke in cues at the moment) but he would be no better than one of these cad artists.
Joe
Because I know you don’t sell. Another thing, your reply has nothing to do with my reply to your idiotic statement about why his cues sell. You are totally off base and that’s not just an opinion. No he probably wouldn’t be out of business, BUT he would have no where near his recent success. This is something you have no familiarity with, but like other things I know your lack of experience will justify some out of whack comment you will make.
Jim: Again your opinion. But the question will remain, do you feel if he kept making them the old way he wouldn't sell any?? It's very hard to say when or why certain cues start to sell IMO, I've seen guys who have done the same thing for years get very popular very fast, sometimes it's word of mouth and sometimes it's just getting the product out there for people to see.
It’s not my opinion. It’s a fact. I know this because I tried to sell his early stuff, and I know it didn’t sell. Again a fact from experience.
Jim: All my posts are my opinion Joe, you are the one who always thinks he has facts, I'm just giving an opinion and it's not yours so you get all wound up, chill baby, have a shot of wild turkey.
I do have facts, especially when talking about Skip and his cues.
Jim: Not when custom means you change your style for sales, again Joe it's not always about sales, some guys are artists, some are just in it for a buck, but I think we both know that Skip doesn't sell cues to pay his bills.
So now you are the dictator of what custom cuemaker means? Interesting. BTW it was about sales, when Skip started the transition into more traditional cues, he was doing cues as his primary source of income. Just another fact, you want to neglect.
Jim: I'm not an artist, I'm a bartender, there is no creativity when it comes to pouring beer, almost any moron can do it. But bartending isn't the same type of thing and trying to compare it just shows ignorance.
The comparison is simple. You COULD spend time inventing new drinks if you wanted to. But the fact is you sell the “traditional” drinks that people ask for. Cause no one might want to try a glass of JImbotalltale or a shot of “Connecticut Crack in a glass”…
JimBo said:
I know this is hard for you to comprehend, Skips cues by design are different than any cue past or present. He chooses to add decoration (inlays) in patterns that people are very happy and familiar with. You can see just in this thread there are many people who like that style. So there is a market for that style.
Skip tomorrow could decide to do computerized inlay patterns, pump out 15-20 like cues, and call them a "series". (biggest joke in cues at the moment) but he would be no better than one of these cad artists.
Joe
What do I hate seeing in a cue...
a "series" number...
The same cue made by a custom cuemaker in quantities more than 2 at a time.. hey its called production.
Rounded inlays in cues with sharp points
BACOTE.. Bacote is Navajo for "duraflame"
Mike Sigels name.. he should be playing pool not woodshop
Any floating point
Joe
a "series" number...
The same cue made by a custom cuemaker in quantities more than 2 at a time.. hey its called production.
Rounded inlays in cues with sharp points
BACOTE.. Bacote is Navajo for "duraflame"
Mike Sigels name.. he should be playing pool not woodshop
Any floating point
Joe
