what exactly is a 'safety'

Jack Flanagan

P. T. Barnum was right !
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the locals are always calling a 'safety' or in their own words, "a safe shot",,,I've only been playing pool again for a little over 2 years (after a 25 year layoff) and I had never heard the word 'safety' before in the '60's & '70's
when I originally began playing pool.

enlighten me please,,,'just the facts,jack'
 
you call a 'safety' after you expel gas from your rear. this insures that your buddies won't punch you in the shoulder.
 
AceHigh said:
you call a 'safety' after you expel gas from your rear. this insures that your buddies won't punch you in the shoulder.

ROFLMAO,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,I'll drink to that.
 
Simply put, a safety is a defensive shot. Whether or not a player has to announce his intentions to play safe depends on the game, I think (I almost exclusively play nine-ball, in which safeties don't require any warning).
 
Safeties are shots of defensive nature. They're usually made with an itention to 1) not let your opponent make the next shot 2) cause problem for your opponent 3) Make your own shape easier 5) cause your opponent to foul 4) Combinations of the previous intents. Some leagues/rules require you to call a safety before hand.
 
In straight pool the safety is a common strategy. You can shoot the break ball in the pocket and call a safety and the ball won't count and will be spotted in the foot spot and it's your opponent's turn. Usually a "safety" is used when you don't want to nominate a ball even though you're going to pocket it, can be used in straight pool and 8-ball.
 
Jack Flanagan said:
the locals are always calling a 'safety' or in their own words, "a safe shot",,,I've only been playing pool again for a little over 2 years (after a 25 year layoff) and I had never heard the word 'safety' before in the '60's & '70's
when I originally began playing pool.

enlighten me please,,,'just the facts,jack'

The term "safety" was around even in the 60's and 70's, and was usually associated with straight pool. In a tournament situation, a player would call "safe", "safe shot" or "safety" to announce the intention to play a defensive shot, and thereby ensure that any ball pocketed would not be interpreted as played. After any such shot, the referee would announce "safety allowed" if the shot were legal or "foul" is the safety was not legal.
 
Jack Flanagan said:
the locals are always calling a 'safety' or in their own words, "a safe shot",,,I've only been playing pool again for a little over 2 years (after a 25 year layoff) and I had never heard the word 'safety' before in the '60's & '70's
when I originally began playing pool.

enlighten me please,,,'just the facts,jack'

Hi Jack,
U know that.In 60s there was another name for it.Is n`t it time to feed the chickens and pick cotton?
Vagabond
 
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Personally, I never miss any shots. As far as I'm concerned anytime I shoot and a ball doesn't drop into a pocket, I played a safty. :D
 
60's

Jack Flanagan said:
the locals are always calling a 'safety' or in their own words, "a safe shot",,,I've only been playing pool again for a little over 2 years (after a 25 year layoff) and I had never heard the word 'safety' before in the '60's & '70's
when I originally began playing pool.

enlighten me please,,,'just the facts,jack'


Sorry Jack but with all respect I have heard the term safe used from when I was 9 I would watch Basil Minicke and my uncle Cisero shoot and the term was used all the time and this was in 1957 ! When I started playing 8 in the early 60's we called safe when we were not shooting a called shot ! Perhaps this was just something analogous to New York shooters I do not know but it was common there! ;)
 
Jack Flanagan said:
the locals are always calling a 'safety' or in their own words, "a safe shot",,,I've only been playing pool again for a little over 2 years (after a 25 year layoff) and I had never heard the word 'safety' before in the '60's & '70's
when I originally began playing pool.

enlighten me please,,,'just the facts,jack'


Ok, if you're telling me that you didn't hear about the term "safety" until recently, could you please introduce me to your buddies from the 60's & 70's?
 
lol!

Jude Rosenstock said:
Ok, if you're telling me that you didn't hear about the term "safety" until recently, could you please introduce me to your buddies from the 60's & 70's?


well jude they probably aren't around any more since they did not know about safes! :D
 
Let's see...

There is a "safety" or "defensive shot" and then there is a "shot safety".

Basically when you do not have a good or easy shot, you can leave the cue ball in a nasty spot so your opponent does not have an easy shot. Or you can knock a ball or several balls into a situation where they are more difficult to play or they wind up blocking the path of the cue ball, so your opponent does not have an easy shot.

You are leaving your opponent with no shot or only a difficult shot. You are hoping that after your opponent shoots, he will give you an easy shot.

With some games/rules, you need to first hit your object ball or the proper object ball, then drive a ball to the rail. Not doing this entitles your opponent to ball-in-hand. This means your opponent can place the cue ball anywhere on the table.

So if you shoot a shot which leaves the cue ball in a very nasty spot - say hidden behind a ball, which he can not legally hit, then your opponent does not shoot a legal shot, this gives you ball-in-hand and a big advantage.

Bar pool rules are not typically ball-in-hand BTW.

With a shot safety, you might not call safety, but will attempt to make a difficult shot, and at the same time you will leave the cue ball in a good spot for your next shot, but a nasty spot for your opponent. So if you manage to pocket your ball, you can continue playing. But if your ball does not go into the pocket, your opponent will not have an easy shot or will have no shot at all.

Also if you call a safety, you can not shoot after your shot even if you pocket a ball. In other words, your opponent *must* shoot next after you call a safety. You can use this to advantage by calling a safety, shooting in one of your balls and at the same time leaving the cue ball in a nasty spot. Then your opponent misses his shot and gives you ball-in-hand. Next you can shoot another shot, first calling safety, and snooker him again. Then get ball-in-hand again. Safeties can go a long way toward helping you win a game.

There are some money tournaments which do not allow safeties. The better players will make it look like they are trying to pocket a ball, then will be way off, and say "how did I ever miss by that much?". "Oh my!" Then you will notice that the cue ball is in a nasty spot or the only shot you have is to shoot in one of your balls which is blocking his ball(s). It was a safety, but can pass as an attempted shot. When I play these guys, I accidentially miss my shots and seem to knock my balls into a position which blocks their balls. Again, not a safety :D I just missed my shot is all! These guys like to dish it out, but can't take it. They get really ticked if you play the same way they do. (If my opponent is not playing any safeties in these tournaments, then I don't either.)

Also there is an "intentional foul". Say your opponent snookers you and you are not likely to be able to make a legal (good) hit. Well you are going to give him ball-in-hand anyway, so might as well do as much damage as possible before giving him ball-in-hand. Shoot one of his balls into a nasty spot or cluster, or shoot the 8/9 ball into a nasty spot.
 
Billy_Bob said:
Let's see...

There is a "safety" or "defensive shot" and then there is a "shot safety".

Basically when you do not have a good or easy shot, you can leave the cue ball in a nasty spot so your opponent does not have an easy shot. Or you can knock a ball or several balls into a situation where they are more difficult to play or they wind up blocking the path of the cue ball, so your opponent does not have an easy shot.

You are leaving your opponent with no shot or only a difficult shot. You are hoping that after your opponent shoots, he will give you an easy shot.

With some games/rules, you need to first hit your object ball or the proper object ball, then drive a ball to the rail. Not doing this entitles your opponent to ball-in-hand. This means your opponent can place the cue ball anywhere on the table.

So if you shoot a shot which leaves the cue ball in a very nasty spot - say hidden behind a ball, which he can not legally hit, then your opponent does not shoot a legal shot, this gives you ball-in-hand and a big advantage.

Bar pool rules are not typically ball-in-hand BTW.

With a shot safety, you might not call safety, but will attempt to make a difficult shot, and at the same time you will leave the cue ball in a good spot for your next shot, but a nasty spot for your opponent. So if you manage to pocket your ball, you can continue playing. But if your ball does not go into the pocket, your opponent will not have an easy shot or will have no shot at all.

Also if you call a safety, you can not shoot after your shot even if you pocket a ball. In other words, your opponent *must* shoot next after you call a safety. You can use this to advantage by calling a safety, shooting in one of your balls and at the same time leaving the cue ball in a nasty spot. Then your opponent misses his shot and gives you ball-in-hand. Next you can shoot another shot, first calling safety, and snooker him again. Then get ball-in-hand again. Safeties can go a long way toward helping you win a game.

There are some money tournaments which do not allow safeties. The better players will make it look like they are trying to pocket a ball, then will be way off, and say "how did I ever miss by that much?". "Oh my!" Then you will notice that the cue ball is in a nasty spot or the only shot you have is to shoot in one of your balls which is blocking his ball(s). It was a safety, but can pass as an attempted shot. When I play these guys, I accidentially miss my shots and seem to knock my balls into a position which blocks their balls. Again, not a safety :D I just missed my shot is all! These guys like to dish it out, but can't take it. They get really ticked if you play the same way they do. (If my opponent is not playing any safeties in these tournaments, then I don't either.)

Also there is an "intentional foul". Say your opponent snookers you and you are not likely to be able to make a legal (good) hit. Well you are going to give him ball-in-hand anyway, so might as well do as much damage as possible before giving him ball-in-hand. Shoot one of his balls into a nasty spot or cluster, or shoot the 8/9 ball into a nasty spot.



Wow, that's as wordy as it gets!

A safety is simply a deliberate play that does not have an offensive intent and is meant to prevent your opponent from winning. A "two-way" shot is simply a safety that allows the shooter to continue his inning if he succeeds in pocketing the ball but leaves nothing if he doesn't.
 
I still see no purpose in calling a safety,,,,if you miss; you still miss,,,why announce to the world that you can't make a ball ?,,,the idiots around here believe if they call a safety and accidently pocket the 8 ball, they didn't lose and the 8 is spotted and the game goes on........................?
 
a miss is a miss????

Jack Flanagan said:
I still see no purpose in calling a safety,,,,if you miss; you still miss,,,why announce to the world that you can't make a ball ?,,,the idiots around here believe if they call a safety and accidently pocket the 8 ball, they didn't lose and the 8 is spotted and the game goes on........................?

The idea of a safety is not to cover a miss! As stated earlier it began in straight pool to notify your opponent that you had no intention of shooting / pocketing a ball! the strategy therefore was 1, since pool then was played by gentlemans rules :D you were being informative and alerting him to watch for a good hit! I.E. a ball being driven to the rail ! 2, if you made a ball you were alerting him that in that case instead of it counting it came back up! This was neccesary and also useful strategy ! Nowadays it is used in 8 and other BIH games for similar reasons :cool:
 
I guess what I'm searching for is in what rule book and where in that book is a safety/safe shot described and allowed,,,(not talking about "Dew Drop Inn" house rules)
 
No Such Thing!

Jack Flanagan said:
I still see no purpose in calling a safety,,,,if you miss; you still miss,,,why announce to the world that you can't make a ball ?,,,the idiots around here believe if they call a safety and accidently pocket the 8 ball, they didn't lose and the 8 is spotted and the game goes on........................?


What that rule is called is a SHAMMY! :D, not a safety ! LOL! since it is a SHAM of the highest order! There is no rule saving you from a loss when calling a safe in 8 if the 8 drops after calling it ! That is taking safeties to a level they were never intended to go! IMO! :D
 
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