What killed the slip stroke?
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Still common.
Mario He:
Wojech Szewczyk:
Mario He:
Wojech Szewczyk:
I didn't know he used that slip toss. Very pronounced in the clip.
The slip stroke can also occur on the back stroke. Both of those occur at impact it seems.
He has had very sweaty hands for as long as I know him. He used to use baby powder more than the Pinos.. Now I think he pretty much wears a glove.
The slip stroke adds an extra moving part that requires even more timing than a fixed grip. Modern instruction in every sport emphasizes repeatable mechanics, and the slip stroke is difficult to teach and learn especially when most people probably could never master it even with a great coach. Try teaching NBA Great Jamaal Wilkes’s jump shot or MLB great Gary Sheffield's swing… too many moving parts to teach.
In the 40s–60s and even 70’s a lot of players learned pool on their own or from local hustlers, so quirky strokes survived if they worked for that individual. Today, with books, video, and pro instruction, there’s more focus on fundamentals… straight cue delivery, stable grip, repeatability. This hold true in all sports.
The slip stroke yes was used by a few notable great players of the past but it was never use as a prevalent stroke by many and is a technique that takes timing that not everyone could or can master. And when people say “slip stroke,” they’re lumping together a couple of different techniques or methods that served different purposes. There’s a frontstroke and a backstroke style/version of a slip stroke. Jimmy Moore is the one most closely identified players that used a slip stroke it and probably the only one (at least that I know of) who made it his signature.
Jimmy Moore’s was a backstroke slip style On the backswing, the cue would slide backward through his grip hand. At the end of the backstroke, he would re-grip the cue in its new position before beginning the forward stroke. This made his stroke more compact while still generating full power, because he didn’t need a long exaggerated backswing. I’d argue that if it could be mastered would still be useful in today’s game. I was lucky enough as a kid to see him play numerous times and my father used to point his stroke out to me when he was about to use it. He did it so naturally that if you weren’t looking for it you never see it.
Edit- I’ll add that Jimmy Moore used his slip stroke in all games that he played and it was never used on every shot.
In the 40s–60s and even 70’s a lot of players learned pool on their own or from local hustlers, so quirky strokes survived if they worked for that individual. Today, with books, video, and pro instruction, there’s more focus on fundamentals… straight cue delivery, stable grip, repeatability. This hold true in all sports.
The slip stroke yes was used by a few notable great players of the past but it was never use as a prevalent stroke by many and is a technique that takes timing that not everyone could or can master. And when people say “slip stroke,” they’re lumping together a couple of different techniques or methods that served different purposes. There’s a frontstroke and a backstroke style/version of a slip stroke. Jimmy Moore is the one most closely identified players that used a slip stroke it and probably the only one (at least that I know of) who made it his signature.
Jimmy Moore’s was a backstroke slip style On the backswing, the cue would slide backward through his grip hand. At the end of the backstroke, he would re-grip the cue in its new position before beginning the forward stroke. This made his stroke more compact while still generating full power, because he didn’t need a long exaggerated backswing. I’d argue that if it could be mastered would still be useful in today’s game. I was lucky enough as a kid to see him play numerous times and my father used to point his stroke out to me when he was about to use it. He did it so naturally that if you weren’t looking for it you never see it.
Edit- I’ll add that Jimmy Moore used his slip stroke in all games that he played and it was never used on every shot.
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he does wear a glove, but still uses the towel quite a lot
It's intentional to irritate fans. LOL Actually I think he does it to say calm and play slow.
those are examples of STROKE SLIP
not slip stroke where the grip hand goes backwards faster than the cue and grabs it farther back and goes forward
Yea I did notice that. They didn’t get down low over the shot either. Some stood nearly straight up in their stance.
I think he mentioned on a podcast that he would get really sweaty hands.
Wow I had no idea. Interesting, thanks.
Edit: I just realized, this is not a slip stroke. This is a stroke slip. I remember someone making this differentiation.
No…i dont think so
To differentiate
Stroke slip …………stroke….. cue slips forward
Slip stroke….. hand slips then cue goes forward
) at the cue ball and slip stroke (the inert stick is released to set the backhand) would retain the original reference.
I don't see a need for a special or sequential distinction. They can be defined in as much detail as your publisher wants but there are only two of 'em. The first one is well known and the new one is a toss stroke that has to be caught - technically a slip.
Here's the logic as offered by KPY:
Once you let go of the stick it has to travel in a straight line.
It gets sticky as well sometimes. But if it’s smooth than should not be a problem.