what lathe should I get?

seven

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I'm looking for a machine/metal lathe for somewhere around the 300 to 400 dollar range. preferably 300 range :) I'm just going to be doing basic repairs, tips, ferrules ect... originally I was going to get a wood lathe... but I want to be able to do ferrules. any suggestions?
 
I'd like to know what accesories are needed to do what he wants with the lathe he's talking about.
 
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I bought a porper and I'm real happy with it cost $3800.00 will be able to pay it of in first year . I still need a lathe to do some metal stuff and have found for around $400.00 harbor freight has a good one. I really want to see the bludworth repair lathe for $2500.00 may sell the proper and buy that one. Good luck hannphie
 
At that price you can get a new "mini" lathe from one of the importers. They have a 10 inch long capacity, so you can only do tips and ferrules on them. If you get very lucky, you might be able to find a used metal lathe for that price. But most likely, you will spend at least 700 for a used metal lathe with a 36 inch long capacity, or 2200 for a new imported metal lathe with that capacity.

Also check out the cue specific machinery. I think they start above your price range, but they are designed specifically for cue repair, and will allow you to get started right away, instead of spending time modifying a metal lathe.
 
seven said:
I'm looking for a machine/metal lathe for somewhere around the 300 to 400 dollar range. preferably 300 range :) I'm just going to be doing basic repairs, tips, ferrules ect... originally I was going to get a wood lathe... but I want to be able to do ferrules. any suggestions?

You could get an ENCO, Harbor Freight or Sherline mini-lathe if you just wanna fix tips and ferrules. No special tooling required to modify. It's got a tool post and all you need is the different cutting bits for the operation.

For less than $300 you could chance on a used one but a new ain't far priced... some a little over 300-400. You could also cut threads with it.

Goodluck!
 
Bottom Line as to why they don't make the spindle bore larger is the cost. Larger bearings, larger spindle, larger housing, larger gears and larger chuck. All that equals a lot more money. On my Cue Smith lathes I pay over three times as much to manufacture a Deluxe 1.400" spindle bore headstock with chuck, than I do for my headstocks with 15mm bore. That does not even take into account I now have to raise everything else on the lathe up an inch which increases the cost even more. All total it increases the price of the lathe over $500. For a heavier lathe like a metal lathe the increase would probably be more.
Chris
www.internationalcuemakers.com
www.cuesmith.com
 
homer said:
I get emails from Leonard all the time, however i inquired about this lathe that everyone is raving about. He tells me it doesn't know what i'm talking about.
Last time I talked to Leonard he still doesn't have his new lathe ready. Sounds like his machinists are dragging their feet like mine are on my new tapering machine. :mad:
Chris
www.hightowercues.com
 
Please tell us more

cueman said:
Last time I talked to Leonard he still doesn't have his new lathe ready. Sounds like his machinists are dragging their feet like mine are on my new tapering machine. :mad:
Chris
www.hightowercues.com

Chris, Please tell us more about this new machine that you're creating!
What are some of the specs and capabilities?
 
homer said:
Chris, Please tell us more about this new machine that you're creating!
What are some of the specs and capabilities?
It is simply a seperate tapering machine that will cut butts and shafts and point grooves. It uses a router to do the cutting and has a variable speed motor on the headstock and variable speed gear motor on the lead screw. The shaft taper bar is totally adjustable and removes easily to replace it with another shaft bar set for what ever tapers you set them to. The long travel and spring loaded cross-slide are on precision linear bearing set ups, for ease of movement and precision. You can see my personal machine on the "shop tour" link on my website. www.hightowercues.com
Not sure when they will be ready as my machinist is really not keeping his promises for making my parts. I can't start assembling them and making the last few minor parts in house until he gets my major parts made. I had estimated 1st ones would be available now but now I am just hoping to have one for the Super Expo in March. Sorry I can't give you a firmer date.
Thanks,
Chris
 
New Cuesmith Tapering Machine?

cueman said:
It is simply a seperate tapering machine that will cut butts and shafts and point grooves. It uses a router to do the cutting and has a variable speed motor on the headstock and variable speed gear motor on the lead screw. The shaft taper bar is totally adjustable and removes easily to replace it with another shaft bar set for what ever tapers you set them to. The long travel and spring loaded cross-slide are on precision linear bearing set ups, for ease of movement and precision. You can see my personal machine on the "shop tour" link on my website. www.hightowercues.com
Not sure when they will be ready as my machinist is really not keeping his promises for making my parts. I can't start assembling them and making the last few minor parts in house until he gets my major parts made. I had estimated 1st ones would be available now but now I am just hoping to have one for the Super Expo in March. Sorry I can't give you a firmer date.
Thanks,
Chris

Chris, what makes this new one different from the cue deluxesmith? It sounds pretty much the same. What will the price be?
 
homer said:
Chris, what makes this new one different from the cue deluxesmith? It sounds pretty much the same. What will the price be?
Not sure on the price yet. My guess is it will cost a little more than the Deluxe and it is just for tapering. It is more set up for commercial duty. Meaning use it all day for tapering and it should hold up. The Deluxe is not meant to run hundreds and hundreds of tapering passes per month. You can put pins in and totally assemble cues on the Deluxe at a commercial rate, but it is not really designed for that much turning. The Deluxe is a one lathe does all lathe. Most know that if a machine is set up for just one funtion you can make it do that one function really well. If you set it up to do everything then it will have it's draw backs on some areas. Having a seperate tapering machine is like having a second employee that doesn't have to be fed.
Chris
www.hightowercues.com
 
cueman said:
Not sure on the price yet. My guess is it will cost a little more than the Deluxe and it is just for tapering. It is more set up for commercial duty. Meaning use it all day for tapering and it should hold up. The Deluxe is not meant to run hundreds and hundreds of tapering passes per month. You can put pins in and totally assemble cues on the Deluxe at a commercial rate, but it is not really designed for that much turning. The Deluxe is a one lathe does all lathe. Most know that if a machine is set up for just one funtion you can make it do that one function really well. If you set it up to do everything then it will have it's draw backs on some areas. Having a seperate tapering machine is like having a second employee that doesn't have to be fed.
Chris
www.hightowercues.com

My taper lathe is set up with two taper bars, one in back of the other. I can switch from butts to shafts in just a few seconds by moving a pin. It keep me from having to mess with the set up all the time if I want to switch from shafts to butts. Also my shaft taper bar has a scissor type piece that can be adjusted for the type of transition from the straighter part of the shaft to the joint area. (I hope this makes sense). I keep it set at the same most of the time but it has come in handy a few times making shafts for something like a Schuler cue with a big joint diameter. I can set it so the joint and tip come out at the ratio I need for the finished shaft meaning I don't have to do hardly any sanding to get it to the finished size. The joint and shaft size are pre calculated and set. I adjust my taper length by just swiveling my tool post and cutter and it can change the taper length from around 8 inches to as much as 15 inches if I want. I was at one cue makers shop who spent around an hour just sanding a shaft to get it to the final correct size. (I am not so sure all that sanding is good for the shaft as well as the heat it produces). He actually sanded it from a straight taper like you would cut a butt, to get the final length of taper, shaft size and so on. I knew I didn't want to be doing that so I built this machine almost 20 years ago out of an old Atlas I picked up for $200. I have really gotten my moneys worth out of that old lathe. It still runs perfect every day. I honestly can't imagine a machine that could do a better job for me. I was thinking about building a saw machine but other then being more quiet, the machine I am using now works perfectly and leaves me with the least amount of needed finishing work, it produces an almost finished shaft.
 
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to answer the initial question on a good lathe for the money.......as for what you are looking at i feel you are just wasting time and money to get some of those lathes as the wont do alot of the things that you need to do on a cue in either rrepai or building of cues......i have on several occassion been exposed to alot of different lathes and many various pieces of equipment.....befor recommending a lathe i will say this....i have just recently come into some money from a car accident and of all the machines out there ,i am only going to one person as i feel they make a machine thats by far the best you can get unless you are going to spend 6 or 7 grand to get a lathe to do everything.......i have worked on the lathe im speaking of on several differne occassions and have owned my own before so i can say from personal expierence that the cue smith made by chris hightower is by far the most reliable and easiest of machines to operate and use....also you are afforded the ability of doing your own machine up keep in the fact all the parts are easy to change out if worn or damaged.....i had a lathe that i used to take to tournies and set up and do work at and the repeatable performance is to be rivaled by no one else.....i have seen the porper in use and used a friend and i feel by far that the deluxe cuesmith or any of the cuesmith lathes are the greatest machines out there .......in all the years i owned my own lathe i only had one part got bad just from lots of use and was able to get a replacement piece from chris and was back up and running in less that 3 days......really kept me from having alot of down time and also from having to try and find a machinist that could make the part for a decent price and have it work perfect.....chris has really spent alot of time and effort to think out the design and functional use of these machines......and to spend your money anywhere else unless you opening a full size shop to build lots of cues and do alot of work is senseless.......you should really take time and look at the machines chris makes.....if you are just wanting something to just do your own work get the smallest machine with option about 1100.00.......just being able to do your own work and know what you are getting down is what you want will make this machine pay for itself in little or no time......and also once people see how well maintained your cue is they will want you to do work for them.....the next thing you know you are needing a bigger machine to be able to keep up.....but always having a smaller machine if you decide to go set up at a tourny to make a few bucks.....so i really recommend the lathes made by chris......and im willing to stand behind any machine he builds as i know he doesnt make any junk.......hope this helps with the initial question and helps you some with what you decide......take care, juston coleman
 
As Juston mentioned, for limited space and ease of use his lathes are great IMO. Some years back I was interested in taking a minilathe and converting It to do repair work, I already had cleaner lathes so really just needed something to do half way accurate tip and ferrule jobs on, retapering was done By hand on a cleaner setup, so that was not an issue. Space was an issue, and 2 lathes I had considered modifing was one, the popular seig minilathes, and the other was the taig, or peatol as It is known overseas. With the taig, I had been thinking about adding and extension, and was looking for materials for the project when I ran in to Chris's lathes, which was basically what I had in mind except my idea was a little more raw of a version then his, and not as well thought out. Anyway I really wanted to get one of his smaller more portable setups as it was the closest to My price range at the time, but was just out of reach still yet. We were playing the regional playoffs in our league, and there was a very nice gentleman doing tips and ferrels onsite. I told him we were interested in setting a minilathe up as he had to do repair. He had the same import version I was looking at, and at the time was all I could afford. he was kind enough to show Me how he set It up, was a pretty simple setup for the most part but did the trick. Well, broke down and bought one. My extension was a little different then his but as his it did the trick. Keep in mind even If you figure out how to make an extension, you still have to make all the collets, buy all the tooling, the centers, and more things than can possibly be mentioned. Later I ended up changing the extention again, trying to get better use from It, but just good for so much, and that was all. It worked, and fit in a smaller space, but as for ease of use, eh, I don't know. Learned alot from the experience, and made alot of cool joint caps and stuff on it, but now pretty much just use it for machining metal and alluminum for all kinds of stuff I need to build or tooling i want to make. Anyway in the end for what It cost could have bought chris's lathe and probably came out ahead, because most of the stuff you need to get started he includes. Ofcoarse he has options you can add as well. I look at It this way, My design would have cost more, even with used parts purchased to build it, then what he sells the thing for with all the bells and whistles, and guess work taken out. I don't know how he can sell them at that low a price for what all goes into them, especially his more basic models they are priced very reasonably. That's what We were going to go with originally, but opted to go all the way and get the deluxe with the works, and had him build us one. Glad we did, because the thing has paid for it'self by now for sure. It's been a really good addition, and probably gets used as much if not more then anything else. Sure eventually we would like to add 2 large floor lathes, and a larger mill, but heck I would love to have more deluxes then floor lathes setup for most stuff. If space is an issue can't go wrong, and the thing will always get used no matter how large your shop may grow. The taig platform is great, easy to build jigs, or make modifications to, tooling and parts are readily available. He really put some thought and time in to these lathes, and just kept making improvents, as he was using them for his own use, as they were being designed. I myself, have only had 1 $8.00 part break, and was really my own fault. He had the part to me in just a couple of days. They are for the most part pretty fixed position wise, and very easy to use, not to mention the jaws are a little softer on the o'l knuckles also, My other jaws on the other lathes are not as forgiving if I was to slip up, believe me I know.
What I did myself, and would recomend is to first buy his video, It's a good way to see It in action, pluss I believe he will deduct the price of the video from the price of the lathe If you end up getting one. I am not sure if He still does that, So you would Have to ask him to be sure. the video will also give you an idea of what goes into the work involved with repair should you need info on that. I am sure the others that are out there are nice also, but since I have not owned any, I have no way of comparing. I can say That the deluxe has performed well for us, and have no regrets. Well worth the money IMO If you want to jump right into repair work, without pulling your all hair out building something yourself, and dumping your wallet out at the same time. I have learned alot the hard way, have built some of My own stuff with decent success, even have plans for more, but still own one of these lathes, and would like more in the future. Was just the most cost efective thing for us.
Good luck, Hope It works out for You.
Greg
 
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