What would you do here??

briandlau said:
What about thinning the 4 with inside to get to the corner and possibly behind the 5?
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When you clip the 4, it's going to bump the 9 right down into the proposed path of the cb. You'll most likely get kissed and leave the 4 straight up in the corner.
 
It's too hard to tell by these diagrams. Since the 4/9 are NOT frozen, the 9 may not move all that much. It will move but how much depends on how well you hit it. If you can keep from kissing the 9 full, I think you'd still be in ok shape.
 
I don't think that this situation is a "hit and pray" situation simply because there are only two object balls moving. Therefore, there isn't much luck involved. You can pretty much see, based on the graphic, that neither ball is going to threaten a pocket by just blasting away. Therefore, the shot that I like is to hit the four full and draw the cue ball back down table, going one rail behind the eight. If you can get behind the eight, it will block off most of the table, and the 5 ball blocks one corner pocket.

The nine will still travel up and down the table, still giving whatever chances there are that way, and the four will go back and forth across the table.
 
briandlau said:
It's too hard to tell by these diagrams. Since the 4/9 are NOT frozen, the 9 may not move all that much. It will move but how much depends on how well you hit it. If you can keep from kissing the 9 full, I think you'd still be in ok shape.
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The should could turn out ok, but I think if you clip the 9 at all with the cb, you're going to sell out either a shot in the side or the corner. If you look at your contact point on the rail after glancing off of the 4, the 4 and 9 are just huge from there, and your window is pretty small. You're going to have to catch the 4 extremly thin, and really juice the cb, and then you run the risk of over-juicing it and colliding with the 6. If you want to go for an actual hook, this might be a viable option:

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If you don't get the hook, the 5 might still be blocking the corner for the 4.
 
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VIProfessor said:
I don't think that this situation is a "hit and pray" situation simply because there are only two object balls moving. Therefore, there isn't much luck involved. You can pretty much see, based on the graphic, that neither ball is going to threaten a pocket by just blasting away. Therefore, the shot that I like is to hit the four full and draw the cue ball back down table, going one rail behind the eight. If you can get behind the eight, it will block off most of the table, and the 5 ball blocks one corner pocket.

The nine will still travel up and down the table, still giving whatever chances there are that way, and the four will go back and forth across the table.
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That's not a bad shot either, as long as you can get your cb out of the way quickly enough to avoid the kiss from the 4. It's hard to tell exactly what angle the 4 is going to come off of the rail at, but if the cb does not snap back quickly enough, it may get clipped by the 4 on the rebound. The draw translating into follow on the 4, though, might be enough to prevent this from happening. Good shot either way.
 
fred_in_hoboken said:
This was my first thought. The 4 seems close enough to the rail that a kick shot be easy to judge, and it looks like the 5 would hold the 4 near the other rail, with the 9 blocking the cue ball.
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Not likely, but if you miss and hit the other side (really close to hitting the 9-ball first) the cueball will then drill the 9-ball towards the top-left corner...

I personally would HATE to do this, but I would have no choice but to play a safety...unfortunately, the only one that I see that you can get for sure is to leave a bank. Leaving a bank is not very safe, but it will increase your chances, there is no other option. If you cut the 4 into the 9, center (maybe a hair below) you will drive the 4 ball to the rail and the cueball will bounce off of the rail and come out towards the opposite long-rail. It's lame, but that's probably what I would do.
 
hustlefinger said:
Another Hail Mary shot for consideration would be to carom bank the 4 off the 9 into the side and perhaps leave the CB down below the 5 ball. It’s hard to tell from the illustration if the angle exists, I’d need to make a judgment call by actually seeing it. A low percentage shot, but try for CB leave.

Rick
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I think Rick is correct in this situation, based on the diagram. I think the 4 could carom off the 9 and bank cross-side or the other side. I would go for it with top right and give it "the stroke of doom". I am sure this can be made on a bartable.

If that shot did not seem like it would work... I would consider blasting the 4 straight to the side rail and try to kiss off the 9. It is a two way shot: 9 in the corner by the 5, 4 in the side.

Somebody set these up and try them please. I don't think the difficulty is too high.
 
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Either like this, drawing whitey 2+ rails. About a 1/2 ball hit leaves the 4 where it's at . The 8 becomes a very big ball because your coming into the angle.

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Or a simple 1 rail, played well he won't have to like the shot.

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Rod
 
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