What's the 'right way' to play this shot?

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Neil said:
The original question was about the best way to run out from there. Not the best way to win.
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Yes, Tiptoety did ask for the best way to get out inside of his post. However the title says "What's the 'right way' to play this shot?" and people including myself may skipped the "get out" part.

SJM's comment on playing safety is also great as well. He did that after he offered his opinion on making the 8 ball.

Thanks for taking us back on track :)
 
For me, with my game, I don't even try to get below the nine. I make the 8 in the corner( I hope) using a little center ball left english with speed to go across the table and about halfway back, That should put you somewhere between the center pocket and a diamond or so toward the end of the table where the 8 is to begin with. That leaves you with a not too hard back cut on the 9 in the side.

For me that sequence is easier than trying to put a lot of spin and draw on the cue ball to get below the 9 while making the 8, or control the speed precisely enough to have a shot at 9 in the corner without a scratch. To each his own
 
Drew said:
This is definitely the "right" shot. You're speed doesn't even have to be perfect. Just make sure you miss shallow. Why does everyone think the low left english is a good option? That is such a low percentage shot and you'll definitely sell out the rack when you miss. I thought we had a few one pocket players on the forum. You should have seen this shot from the beginning.

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Wow, I should do these things more often.

I really didn't like the bank shot idea, we shot it numerous times, and numerous times didn't like the results, the 8 is below the middle diamond, and from the position of the cue is an extremely hard bank even with tons of inside. if the cue ball was on the same side as the 8, i'd suggest it. i understand the idea of the bank is to miss shallow and have the 8 drift to top middle of rail, but the cue stays on the oposite side of the 9, and most often in our attempts left an easy shot on the 8 to get to the 9.

The best success we had was to go 2 rails with either some low, or some inside and hit between side and diamond. we almost always landed on the 9 for easy run. least amount of scratches. we did scratch a few times in side near the 8 but oh well, we hit it too hard. the high inside produced the greatest amount of scratches since the 8 is below the middle diamond, it was hard to get the cue ball to hit the top rail, if we didn't scratch we weren't coming far enough around for the shot in the side.

It's still in debate here at the room, now they're collecting a pool to see who can shot it 4 times in a row and run out their way. I had 2 out of 4 last night :(. Oh, PS safety play wasn't an option for the shot, it's supposed to be get out from here, or make the best attempt to win from here. Yea, we'd all 4 rail the 8 safe, but we're betting on offense.
 
tiptoety said:
Wow, I should do these things more often.



The best success we had was to go 2 rails with either some low, or some inside and hit between side and diamond. we almost always landed on the 9 for easy run. least amount of scratches. we did scratch a few times in side near the 8 but oh well, we hit it too hard. the high inside produced the greatest amount of scratches since the 8 is below the middle diamond, it was hard to get the cue ball to hit the top rail, if we didn't scratch we weren't coming far enough around for the shot in the side.

It's still in debate here at the room, now they're collecting a pool to see who can shot it 4 times in a row and run out their way. I had 2 out of 4 last night :(. Oh, PS safety play wasn't an option for the shot, it's supposed to be get out from here, or make the best attempt to win from here. Yea, we'd all 4 rail the 8 safe, but we're betting on offense.
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Is your diagram accurate? How far away is the 8 and 9 ball from the rail? I assume it is set up as shown, not about here or there but as diagrammed.

That being the case, cutting the 9 in from below the opposite side pocket is a super thin cut with a chance to scratch in the opposite corner. A bank looks better to me but then I don't think you're shooting this shot as diagrammed.

The wei is a very good tool but many times what is shown is not what the shot is in reality. On the other hand what some think they can do as diagrammed isn't reality either. Edit to add, less than a 1/2 inch in ball location makes a huge difference.

Rod
 
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Rod said:
Is your diagram accurate? How far away is the 8 and 9 ball from the rail? I assume it is set up as shown, not about here or there but as diagrammed.

That being the case, cutting the 9 in from below the opposite side pocket is a super thin cut with a chance to scratch in the opposite corner. A bank looks better to me but then I don't think you're shooting this shot as diagrammed.

The wei is a very good tool but many times what is shown is not what the shot is in reality. On the other hand what some think they can do as diagrammed isn't reality either. Edit to add, less than a 1/2 inch in ball location makes a huge difference.

Rod
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Set up pretty much as shown. Understand if it were on a table it would be easier to visualize. 8 and 9 ball are about half a ball away from rail, cue ball is about balls width off rail. If cue ball was DEAD center of table, 9 is easy cut shot into side... Anything before center of table is extreme hard cut. Lil inside would definately avoid scratches. Or outside to help throw ball in would avoid scratch. Plus you only need the nine to move 2 inches, don't need to power the ball in. The 8 is a full ball away from rail to allow any english to be used, slight jack if your hitting with low or low left. Level stroke if using high top.

The way I'm thinking is for my money, i want to play the 9 in the side. Even if it requires hard shot on 8 to get there. I'd rather shoot one hard shot and 1 easy shot, then 2 hard shots for the cash. I also would rather miss the 8 and hope for a good roll, than get down to the 9 and pray for a great roll. All the attempts at trying to draw/spin the cue back under the nine 1 rail didn't seem like a good idea, but many of the ppl involved like that shot. the same ppl don't like to shoot the back and forth position shots in 9-ball though. they perfer to force the cue across the angle, and hope for precision position. We didn't like hoping the cue hangs on the oposite rail, since if it bounces a lil we're screwed. Margin of error is too small IMO.
 
Drew said:
This is definitely the "right" shot. You're speed doesn't even have to be perfect. Just make sure you miss shallow. Why does everyone think the low left english is a good option? That is such a low percentage shot and you'll definitely sell out the rack when you miss. I thought we had a few one pocket players on the forum. You should have seen this shot from the beginning.

Rep to you
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That's somewhat ridiculous. The right shot is the simplest one here. I believe yours is the "very low percentage shot." And YOU will definitely sell out the rack when YOU miss.
 
tiptoety said:
Set up pretty much as shown. Understand if it were on a table it would be easier to visualize. 8 and 9 ball are about half a ball away from rail, cue ball is about balls width off rail. If cue ball was DEAD center of table, 9 is easy cut shot into side... Anything before center of table is extreme hard cut. Lil inside would definately avoid scratches. Or outside to help throw ball in would avoid scratch. Plus you only need the nine to move 2 inches, don't need to power the ball in. The 8 is a full ball away from rail to allow any english to be used, slight jack if your hitting with low or low left. Level stroke if using high top.

The way I'm thinking is for my money, i want to play the 9 in the side. Even if it requires hard shot on 8 to get there. I'd rather shoot one hard shot and 1 easy shot, then 2 hard shots for the cash. I also would rather miss the 8 and hope for a good roll, than get down to the 9 and pray for a great roll. All the attempts at trying to draw/spin the cue back under the nine 1 rail didn't seem like a good idea, but many of the ppl involved like that shot. the same ppl don't like to shoot the back and forth position shots in 9-ball though. they perfer to force the cue across the angle, and hope for precision position. We didn't like hoping the cue hangs on the oposite rail, since if it bounces a lil we're screwed. Margin of error is too small IMO.
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Thanks, that is why I asked for clarification. As shown 8 and 9 ball is less than 1/2 ball width away from the rail. Not trying to fault you just wanted to make sense of this shot.

It does change the shot quite a bit though and I would shoot it instead of playing safe. That is, if the nine is fairly easy with whitey dead center table. At that angle whitey can be a diamond below the opposite side which is the same shot.

The 8 being 1/2 ball width away makes a slow center ball shot easier as well. We only get one try so before I shoot I take all these factors into consideration.

Although neither is a gimme I would shoot one of the two.

Rod
 
SPINDOKTOR said:
Usualy you will hit the rail behind the 9 leaving a wider angle, I diagramed the shot that way so if you were to try it you wouldnt shoot to hard and scratch. SPINDOKTOR
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If you don't shoot hard enough... the cueball will not take this direction. That's my point. Try it if you want.
 
This is the way to get out and take the cash....
 

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Craig Fales said:
This is the way to get out and take the cash....
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Yes, my friend, it is. Thank you. Finally someone doesn't come up with an absurd "right thing to do" shot that is not a FLICKING trick shot.
 
I could be wrong. I'm at work, behind a desk w/o a table in sight but using any sort of spin from that location seems risky. I think, for the cash, I'll baby it in, accept where the cue-ball stops and play it from there. That 9-ball is HANGING near the side and is very kickable if I don't get straight. I want to guarantee a shot at it.
 
Neil said:
Jude: Next time you get to a table, try it with a lot of left and a little draw. You don't need to hit it as hard as you may think. It's more of a finnesse shot. It's not as hard as it looks, and I think you will surprised. Let us know how it worked. I don't like the soft shot because you can roll off, and even if you are 2" off the rail you have to kick or bank the 9. Not the shot I want on the 9.
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In this scenario, I really would rather miss the 9-ball then miss the 8. That's all I'm saying. I'm going to print it out and bring it to the room. I'm curious what this looks like once set up.
 
Sensation said:
If you don't shoot hard enough... the cueball will not take this direction. That's my point. Try it if you want.
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I agree, but if you shoot to hard you will scratch, Maybe the best solution is to play safe. I myself shoot this shot as I described, I went to tape this shot tonight but my boy's wanted to go and I ended up talking to a guy about a GC 9' and didnt have the chance, If all go's well I'll have a 9' of my own soon and will be able to show some of these shots in person.

Its way to difficult to describe the speed and stroke needed to do some of these shots, Id rather shoot the shot and let you decide. Fair enough?


SPINDOKTOR
 
Jude Rosenstock said:
I could be wrong. I'm at work, behind a desk w/o a table in sight but using any sort of spin from that location seems risky. I think, for the cash, I'll baby it in, accept where the cue-ball stops and play it from there. That 9-ball is HANGING near the side and is very kickable if I don't get straight. I want to guarantee a shot at it.
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I know the thread started with how to get out from here, but I gotta tell you the truth, from here I would play sjm's safe just about everytime. If I try to get out, I figure to make the eight and get on the long rail or go back and forth to a decent shot on the nine in the side maybe 60% of the time. However, I figure I'll successfully execute the four-rail safety 100% of the time. If my opponent can get out or leave me an effective safety from here, I say more power to him and I'll pay it off.
 
Craig Fales said:
This is the way to get out and take the cash....
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Sure thing. Even if you were a little off on the speed control and have a slight angle, you could either draw or follow it with a quality stroke and hit one of the points to avoid the scratch. If I had too much angle to avoid the side scratch to pocket in the corner, then I might even kick it one rail into the side. Slightly more than 1/2 ball hit would make it a "big ball"...
If you really screwed up the speed control, you might even be able to bank it cross side with some running (right) english. Would any one else here kick at the 9 using 1 cushion?
 
Big Perm said:
8 in the corner, using high right and pace.....cue goes three rails, 9 in the side...
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EXACTLY!!! It seems that no one previously has this shot... a must have... the "high-inside-3 rail spinner".
 
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