where to begin?

xhopex

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I have been playing pool off and on for a number of years. Last year I played in my first league and did not do very well. I now have a 9 foot table in my basement and the league is going to start up in a couple of months so I would like to get ready.

Where do I start?

I'm hesitant to spend money on books and videos without getting a more consistant base going, but I probably could be persuaded otherwise.

Maybe I just need a tutor - I know a full blown class with a teacher would do me wonders, but I can't manage that right now.

Anyone want to guide a novice from afar?
 
I would without any shadow of a doubt get Bryne's "Standard tape of pool and billiards" Vols. I & II.

I consider these two tapes the guiding light to my game.
 
Perhaps let us know your general skill level? Why did you not do good in the league? What were the problems? This is an 8 ball league?

Can you draw the cue ball any? Are you to the level you can apply english to the cue ball and still make the shot at all?

I don't know that I have specific suggestions to you, but I would think anyone answering would have a better chance to be helpful knowing some of the things I asked.

Kelly
 
Kelly_Guy said:
Perhaps let us know your general skill level? Why did you not do good in the league? What were the problems? This is an 8 ball league?

Can you draw the cue ball any? Are you to the level you can apply english to the cue ball and still make the shot at all?

I don't know that I have specific suggestions to you, but I would think anyone answering would have a better chance to be helpful knowing some of the things I asked.

Kelly


That was a lot of good remarks. (sorry, but just can't resist...) Also some WEI-table pics can be very handy.
 
xhopex said:
I have been playing pool off and on for a number of years. Last year I played in my first league and did not do very well. I now have a 9 foot table in my basement and the league is going to start up in a couple of months so I would like to get ready.

Where do I start?

I'm hesitant to spend money on books and videos without getting a more consistant base going, but I probably could be persuaded otherwise.

Maybe I just need a tutor - I know a full blown class with a teacher would do me wonders, but I can't manage that right now.

Anyone want to guide a novice from afar?

You can't go wrong with a teacher regardless of what you are learning to do. More than anything they force you to practice and practice properly. I remember when I was learning to play the guitar, I practiced what I was supposed to because I didn't want another lecture from my teacher.

As far as books, I like Ewa Mataya Lawrence's Idiots Guide to Pool and Billiards. It has a healthy section on the fundamentals as well as it is an enjoyable read. Willie Mosconi, Winning Pocket Billiards is also very good.

The two books I have a good thorough sections on the fundamentals, however in Willie's book he won't teach you how to play anything but 14.1. Amusingly though, his disdain for 9 ball and 1 pocket is apparent since in the rule section he provides rules only for 8 ball and rotation and 14.1.
 
You definitely need to get a more expensive cue. Many might tell you that lessons would be a good investment, as they can improve your fundamentals, but that is just crazy talk. You are better off spending three or four thousand on a cue, instead. Then your game will automatically improve.

BTW, if you match up with someone with an equally valued cue, whoever has the nicest case will win.
 
Kelly_Guy said:
Perhaps let us know your general skill level? Why did you not do good in the league? What were the problems? This is an 8 ball league?

Can you draw the cue ball any? Are you to the level you can apply english to the cue ball and still make the shot at all?

I don't know that I have specific suggestions to you, but I would think anyone answering would have a better chance to be helpful knowing some of the things I asked.

Kelly

I don't know how to answer what my general skill level is...

I would say consistency was a big issue. I would do well for a few games and then play awful for the next few.

Yes, 8 ball league.

I can draw the cue ball up to a foot or two depending on the setup.

English to some degree, although throw still throws me.

does that help?
 
Chris said:
You definitely need to get a more expensive cue. Many might tell you that lessons would be a good investment, as they can improve your fundamentals, but that is just crazy talk. You are better off spending three or four thousand on a cue, instead. Then your game will automatically improve.

BTW, if you match up with someone with an equally valued cue, whoever has the nicest case will win.

I made my own cue out of wadded up $100 bills, so I think I'm good there.
 
xhopex said:
I don't know how to answer what my general skill level is...

I would say consistency was a big issue. I would do well for a few games and then play awful for the next few.

Yes, 8 ball league.

I can draw the cue ball up to a foot or two depending on the setup.

English to some degree, although throw still throws me.

does that help?

There is a saying that "it is all in the stroke". Developing a consistent smooth stroke with a good follow through is to say the least a prerequisite to everything good in pool. Drawing the cue ball only a foot or two sounds like you need to develop a little more ability to stroke the cueball. A simple drill you can practice is to put a ball in front of each side pocket exactly in the middle of the pocket, and put the cueball in the middle of the table. Try and develop enough of a stroke so you can shoot one of the balls in the pocket and draw back and make the other ball in the other side pocket. Not only are you working on learning to draw the cue ball consistently, but to draw it dead straight back to make the other ball, you are having to concentrate on hitting the object ball dead center. It might sound very simple and it might get boring, but it really is a good drill. You should focus on hitting the cue ball low, but with a fairly level cue not jacking up, following through (continue acceleration of the stroke after making contact with the cueball...that is NOT the time to decelerate). Practicing this until you can consistently draw the ball and make the 2nd ball a good portion of the time will help.

There are a LOT of different drills you can practice. A lot of them are very valuable. If the thought of practicing drills is boring and keeps you from the table, you can rack 9 balls like a 9 ball rack, 4 solids, 4 stripes, and the 8 in the middle. Break them, the table should be fairly open, and pick a suit to try and run out. That would simulate a point in an 8 ball game when you come to the table where you should run out a fair amount of time, and if you fail to, your opponent will probably run out and you will lose. Crunch time so to speak.

Once you have developed a little better stroke, using left and right english is easier because you will find you don't have to use extreme left or right, meaning you don't have to go way out on the edge of the cueball to accomplish what you want to do with the cue ball. That will help in pocketing the object ball with left and right english.

Ewa's book as someone suggested is a decent read. Maybe you can pick it up for next to nothing on ebay. The standard tape of pool and billiards are great. There are a lot of books and videos that can help your game, but a lot of great great players learned by only watching others.

Find the best player on your team, and watch his matches as closely as possible. Play the game in your head at the same time, and when he does something, or is about to do something that is different than what you would do, ask yourself why. Try and figure out if you are making poor choices about what balls to shoot at, how you try and play position, and perhaps when you play safe. After you mess up in a game, ask the best player on the team what he would have done. Sometimes by asking a good player questions, letting him or her know you are serious about learning, you can get some free valuable lessons and advice.

Just some random thoughts that might help. A person you respect who is a very good player, who will look at your fundamentals and tell you what you are doing wrong causing you to miss or get out of line might be the best thing for you, provided you listen to him and go work on those fundamentals.

Kelly
 
recommend, as was mentioned earlier, getting Bob Byrne's tapes, Volumes 1 and 2. and Bert Kinister's 60 Minute Workout Tape is also excellent.

just remember:
1) Get a pre-shot routine
2) align properly
3) aim properly
4) stroke properly (hopefully straight)
5) have burning focus

DCP
 
You say you were in a league and you're planning to get back in.

Did you have a teammate that was a better shot than you, that you think you could learn some things from?

If so, invite'em over to your place once or twice a week and shoot around on your table for a while.

Aside from having someone playing instructor, having someone to shoot with who is better than you is one of the best ways to learn.

Choose wisely though - someone who's a better shot than you, but who has lousy fundamentals, can screw you up for years. :D
 
Chris said:
You definitely need to get a more expensive cue. Many might tell you that lessons would be a good investment, as they can improve your fundamentals, but that is just crazy talk. You are better off spending three or four thousand on a cue, instead. Then your game will automatically improve.

BTW, if you match up with someone with an equally valued cue, whoever has the nicest case will win.

This one way to cut to the chase. Those silly tapes have taught me nothing other than whoever spends more on a cue, wins. Even if you lose the game, you still win, in my book.
 
xhopex said:
I made my own cue out of wadded up $100 bills, so I think I'm good there.


Ooh, a sense of humor. That's good.

I have a crystal ball and can see you shooting.

1. You need to make your stick more level--as level as possible as they say.

2. you need to get your chin down closer to the cue

3. You need to stop moving any part of your body north of your elbow during the stroke.

4. You need to stay down after contact and follow through with the stick and keep the stick down (i.e., don't raise the tip up after you shoot).

5. You need to hit lots of balls at home, trying to predict where the cueball will go and then also noting where it actually went. It is very important at this stage to get into the habit of noticing how what actually happened compared to what you expected to happen.

mike page
fargo
 
xhopex said:
I don't know how to answer what my general skill level is...

I would say consistency was a big issue. I would do well for a few games and then play awful for the next few.

Yes, 8 ball league.

I can draw the cue ball up to a foot or two depending on the setup.

English to some degree, although throw still throws me.

does that help?
First the bad news--it sounds like you're at the level at which you're supposed to lose a lot of league matches. So accepting that, keep your expectations realistic, so that you won't be disappointed.

The good news is that, starting from that speed, getting a lot better is, for most people (especially someone with their own table) fairly easy. I think the tips in this thread, and the Byrnes video, would serve you well.

Cory
 
Cory in DC said:
First the bad news--it sounds like you're at the level at which you're supposed to lose a lot of league matches. So accepting that, keep your expectations realistic, so that you won't be disappointed.

The good news is that, starting from that speed, getting a lot better is, for most people (especially someone with their own table) fairly easy. I think the tips in this thread, and the Byrnes video, would serve you well.

Cory

I don't expect to win matches against better players. My disappointment is in losing matches to players that I shouldn't because I don't have consistency in my aiming / stroking.

Sounds like I need to order the first Byrnes video and see where that gets me.
 
xhopex said:
I don't expect to win matches against better players. My disappointment is in losing matches to players that I shouldn't because I don't have consistency in my aiming / stroking.

Sounds like I need to order the first Byrnes video and see where that gets me.
If you're into downloading, There were a couple of Jimmy Reid videos floating around that DCC pool hub. I'm sure he'd prefere that you order them, but I don't have a clue where you might be able to do that.

The videos are well worth the money if you do end up buying them. The names were: No time for negative, and The Art of 8 Ball.
 
Books:

99 Critical Shots. (physical part of your game)

Pleasures of Small Motions. (mental part of your game)
 
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