White Wants Alex Higgins Memorial

My point of view.

There were three people responsible for snooker producing over 20 millionaires.

John Spencer challenged the world champion to a match for 1,000 pounds.
Rex Williams answered that challenge and was thrashed.
This match cracked open the 'old boy' shop and the championship was
held on a tournament basis in 1969 with a lot of new pros.
John Spencer won it.

Alex Higgins won the title in 1972 at his first attempt....he brought to the
game the out-rageous charisma of Mohammed Ali and gave snooker world-
wide recognition.

..but they were still playing for pennies...

Mike Watterson, a top English amateur, mortgaged his house in 1976,
bought a lot of TV time, and attracted a bunch of sponsors....
..the result...snooker at the Crucible in 1977...fittingly won by Spencer.

Of these three people, I feel that John Spencer led the way.....
...he is the father of modern snooker.

I have a particular fondness for John...he had grace under pressure...
...and a lot of gamble....he would have made a good road player.
 
This is a tough one, he was a thorn in the WPBSA' side and towards the end was out of control. He alienated a lot of important people, many of whom were conspicious by their absence at his funeral. So don't hold your breath for a tribute tournament
 
I feel like I can speak about this topic from an objective perspective because i knew Alex very well and know Jimmy just as well. I used to drive to practice with Alex when he was living near Manchester and had his garage outfitted as a snooker room. I can tell you that he had a heart as big as all outdoors and if you kept him sober (not an easy task) he was a gentleman to play with and to be around. Most people know of Alex's antics but not many know of his good deeds - and there were plenty. He was always the first person to offer any help to a person in need and I've witnessed this on a number of occasions.
Alex was the first people's champion before there was a people's champion

Which brings me to my point:

I also read pt109's post and he brings up some very valid issues that would be related to a recognized memorial event in Alex's name.

John Spencer was also a very good friend of mine and a man with whom I spoke to not long before he passed away. (He had me laughing so hard I started crying on the phone). In my opinion if anybody was to consider a memorial event in Alex's name it would be a serious misgiving to leave a John Spencer out of this scenario.
John, as pt109 put it, helped put snooker on the map with his nemesis Ray Reardon and a new kid on the block named Alex Higgins. John was the first great player to provide audiences with an attacking style of play and he laid the foundation for Alex to come along and take that style to another level. Mike Watterson, whom Cliff, Kirk and I lived with in Chesterfield, recognized the opportunity with this new and attractive style of snooker that was being offered and took the shot to mortgage his house, borrow additional monies, lock up the Crucible theatre and bring snooker to the masses via television. He had a pal who was a big time exec with BBC, Nick Hunter so he used that connection and this was how it all started in the mid to late 70's.

Mike got the sport out of the blocks and it was players like Higgins and Spencer who provided the ammunition.
I believe the main reason that you are not likely to see an Alex Higgins memorial tournament is simply because there are too many other snooker icons who have passed on that could lay claim to same type of recognition. That isn't to say i don't agree with an event but players like John Spencer are just as deserving and in some people's eyes even more so.

I miss both of these guys a lot but the memories I have from the times i spent with them are priceless to me.

Nice post and I enjoyed the chance to rekindle some fond memories.

Jim Wych
 
Excellent Post's On This Thread

Reading these replies took me back in time to when I was a young child watching Pot Black on the old Black and White TV days.Great fun.;):D:thumbup:
 
I feel like I can speak about this topic from an objective perspective because i knew Alex very well and know Jimmy just as well. I used to drive to practice with Alex when he was living near Manchester and had his garage outfitted as a snooker room. I can tell you that he had a heart as big as all outdoors and if you kept him sober (not an easy task) he was a gentleman to play with and to be around. Most people know of Alex's antics but not many know of his good deeds - and there were plenty. He was always the first person to offer any help to a person in need and I've witnessed this on a number of occasions.
Alex was the first people's champion before there was a people's champion

Which brings me to my point:

I also read pt109's post and he brings up some very valid issues that would be related to a recognized memorial event in Alex's name.

John Spencer was also a very good friend of mine and a man with whom I spoke to not long before he passed away. (He had me laughing so hard I started crying on the phone). In my opinion if anybody was to consider a memorial event in Alex's name it would be a serious misgiving to leave a John Spencer out of this scenario.
John, as pt109 put it, helped put snooker on the map with his nemesis Ray Reardon and a new kid on the block named Alex Higgins. John was the first great player to provide audiences with an attacking style of play and he laid the foundation for Alex to come along and take that style to another level. Mike Watterson, whom Cliff, Kirk and I lived with in Chesterfield, recognized the opportunity with this new and attractive style of snooker that was being offered and took the shot to mortgage his house, borrow additional monies, lock up the Crucible theatre and bring snooker to the masses via television. He had a pal who was a big time exec with BBC, Nick Hunter so he used that connection and this was how it all started in the mid to late 70's.

Mike got the sport out of the blocks and it was players like Higgins and Spencer who provided the ammunition.
I believe the main reason that you are not likely to see an Alex Higgins memorial tournament is simply because there are too many other snooker icons who have passed on that could lay claim to same type of recognition. That isn't to say i don't agree with an event but players like John Spencer are just as deserving and in some people's eyes even more so.

I miss both of these guys a lot but the memories I have from the times i spent with them are priceless to me.

Nice post and I enjoyed the chance to rekindle some fond memories.

Jim Wych

Great read Jim, thanks.

Whilst I agree with the sentiment about Spencer and others, there was something unique and special about Higgins. There are certain people that transcend their particular sport, and he was one of them.

I think the British in particular empathise with folk heroes, flawed genius, plucky underdogs and heroic failure. It would be shame if his impact on the modern game was allowed to fade.
 
I can only think of 1 thing more absurd.


The renaming of the F.A.Cup after that froggy git.

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Thaiger - your not wrong. An event in Alex's name would definitely be well supported by the players and the fans for sure.

A few more memories for you:

I had just finished getting beat at a venue in the midlands (can't remember the name of it) by Jimmy and as i was leaving i stopped to have a quick word with one of the older ushers who I had seen there before. I said to her, "big crowd wasn't it" and she replied, "thats nothing, the Hurricane plays tonight we won't have near enough seating for his match" The venue had about 1500 seats and when Alex came to play the whole town used to come and watch.

One more for you:

I played Alex in 1981 in the Irish Masters at Goffs just outside Belfast I believe. He beat me 5-3 and i honestly felt like if i had won that match I would have been lynched - the crowd was so much behind him. He was bigger than a folk hero to these people and he would feed off the energy. Even when Cliff beat him to win the World title in 1980, if hit hadn't been for people in the crowd yelling at Alex to "show us a shot Alex" it might well have been a different result that year. He was always a showman and sometimes this got in the way of winning. Unbelievable player! And a much much better safety player than a lot of players and fans gave him credit for.

Feels like a lifetime ago now......sadly.
 
Jim, very true about Alex's tactical game. He was obviously known for his shot making but as proven in the 83 UK against Davis he had another aspect of the game down pretty good too.
http://youtu.be/lHfxweDwVxY
I could watch this match over and over :smile:
 
Thaiger - your not wrong. An event in Alex's name would definitely be well supported by the players and the fans for sure.

A few more memories for you:

I had just finished getting beat at a venue in the midlands (can't remember the name of it) by Jimmy and as i was leaving i stopped to have a quick word with one of the older ushers who I had seen there before. I said to her, "big crowd wasn't it" and she replied, "thats nothing, the Hurricane plays tonight we won't have near enough seating for his match" The venue had about 1500 seats and when Alex came to play the whole town used to come and watch.

One more for you:

I played Alex in 1981 in the Irish Masters at Goffs just outside Belfast I believe. He beat me 5-3 and i honestly felt like if i had won that match I would have been lynched - the crowd was so much behind him. He was bigger than a folk hero to these people and he would feed off the energy. Even when Cliff beat him to win the World title in 1980, if hit hadn't been for people in the crowd yelling at Alex to "show us a shot Alex" it might well have been a different result that year. He was always a showman and sometimes this got in the way of winning. Unbelievable player! And a much much better safety player than a lot of players and fans gave him credit for.

Feels like a lifetime ago now......sadly.

Off topic, but the first time I saw pros play in the flesh was an exhibition between Dennis Taylor and Cliff Wilson in 1985, shortly after Taylor won the epic World Champs. Anyway, I'd never heard of Cliff but was blown away by his potting ability - frankly, I lost all interest in Taylor and found a new god to worship, but he's not well known and there's not a lot of footage around of his unique style. I feel White, Williams, O'Sullivan and Trump owe a debt of gratitude to him that's as large as they owe to Higgins.

I'd be interested in any stories you have about him.
 
Off topic, but the first time I saw pros play in the flesh was an exhibition between Dennis Taylor and Cliff Wilson in 1985, shortly after Taylor won the epic World Champs. Anyway, I'd never heard of Cliff but was blown away by his potting ability - frankly, I lost all interest in Taylor and found a new god to worship, but he's not well known and there's not a lot of footage around of his unique style. I feel White, Williams, O'Sullivan and Trump owe a debt of gratitude to him that's as large as they owe to Higgins.

I'd be interested in any stories you have about him.

IIRC he did it with one eye as well, so much for aiming systems lol
 
Off topic, but the first time I saw pros play in the flesh was an exhibition between Dennis Taylor and Cliff Wilson in 1985, shortly after Taylor won the epic World Champs. Anyway, I'd never heard of Cliff but was blown away by his potting ability - frankly, I lost all interest in Taylor and found a new god to worship, but he's not well known and there's not a lot of footage around of his unique style. I feel White, Williams, O'Sullivan and Trump owe a debt of gratitude to him that's as large as they owe to Higgins.

I'd be interested in any stories you have about him.

Cliff Wilson was amazing...I don't think anyone else has done this...
..he quit the game for 20 years to work for a living as there was not much
money in snooker.
.He started playing again when the payouts looked more promising and
went to the top 16, at an advanced age.
His laugh was famous anytime he messed up.
His position play was a little rough but he had the main ingredient to be
a top pro...accuracy under pressure.
 
Cliff Wilson - wow you just hit on another player who I had some great memories with. You talk about a fast player with deadly accuracy and maybe as good a potter as has played the game, that was Cliff Wilson.

He was the man's man and one thing only his friends and family knew about him - could he ever sing! I stayed with Cliff and his charming wife when i was in Newport for the Regal Welsh championships. He told me the only two people he ever let stay at his place was Kirk (Stevens) and me - guess he liked the Canadians. Anyway we head off to his local pub one night and when he entered everybody and their dog said hi to him. They all knew Cliff. After a few pints they coaxed him into a song and I was shocked, this guy should have been on stage somewhere, he could give Tom Jones the wild 8!! (for the pool fans out there). In snooker terms, two blacks. Of course my memory of that night faded fast because after two beers i was a goner and anybody that knows me will ask you how I managed to get two beers down me before passing out.

Another thing about Cliff, he had this huge boxer that he loved second only to his wife. He was kissing this dog smack on the mouth one night and the dog was slobbering all over him, thats true love. What a character Cliff was.

I remember getting a story from him through another friend of ours that he had just seen the best snooker player he had ever witnessed. A young scrawny left hander who reminded him of himself when he was a teenager. The scrawny kids name - Mark Williams.

I sure miss him. I used to call his wife every time I was in Newport, even after I retired when I was there doing commentary at the Regal Welsh Open for BBC Wales. She was with Cliff wherever he went and when he played, she was in the front row always close by. And she used to just shake her head and laugh at all of Cliff's antics, I miss seeing her too. They were perfect for each other.

These are the times I miss and the snooker players of that generation were a different breed to today's players. I think the players today are a different class, miles better and younger. But back then there wasn't enough money in the sport for anybody to be phony or pretentious so we genuinely hung around together and were real friends. Plus there weren't nearly as many players back then either so we saw each other much more frequently.

Hope you enjoy a few of these. Time tends to alter a person's perception of actual accounts but these are not far from the truth. And thanks again for allowing me to think back about some terrific people who knew which end of the cue to use as well.

Last Cliff Wilson story, just remembered it:

He used to put on all his own cue tips, wouldn't let anybody touch his cue. I was awful at doing tips but I always tried to do my own. Anyway Cliff and I are practicing at his house one afternoon and my tip comes off. He starts putting a tip on my cue and licks the back end of the tip. I said what are you doing licking my tip? He says the saliva seals the tip so the glue won't soak into it when you glue it to the cue, this allows it to adhere better. Never knew that - now to this day I lick the back of my cue tip when i change them. Thanks Cliff!!
 
Cliff Wilson - wow you just hit on another player who I had some great memories with. You talk about a fast player with deadly accuracy and maybe as good a potter as has played the game, that was Cliff Wilson.

He was the man's man and one thing only his friends and family knew about him - could he ever sing! I stayed with Cliff and his charming wife when i was in Newport for the Regal Welsh championships. He told me the only two people he ever let stay at his place was Kirk (Stevens) and me - guess he liked the Canadians. Anyway we head off to his local pub one night and when he entered everybody and their dog said hi to him. They all knew Cliff. After a few pints they coaxed him into a song and I was shocked, this guy should have been on stage somewhere, he could give Tom Jones the wild 8!! (for the pool fans out there). In snooker terms, two blacks. Of course my memory of that night faded fast because after two beers i was a goner and anybody that knows me will ask you how I managed to get two beers down me before passing out.

Another thing about Cliff, he had this huge boxer that he loved second only to his wife. He was kissing this dog smack on the mouth one night and the dog was slobbering all over him, thats true love. What a character Cliff was.

I remember getting a story from him through another friend of ours that he had just seen the best snooker player he had ever witnessed. A young scrawny left hander who reminded him of himself when he was a teenager. The scrawny kids name - Mark Williams.

I sure miss him. I used to call his wife every time I was in Newport, even after I retired when I was there doing commentary at the Regal Welsh Open for BBC Wales. She was with Cliff wherever he went and when he played, she was in the front row always close by. And she used to just shake her head and laugh at all of Cliff's antics, I miss seeing her too. They were perfect for each other.

These are the times I miss and the snooker players of that generation were a different breed to today's players. I think the players today are a different class, miles better and younger. But back then there wasn't enough money in the sport for anybody to be phony or pretentious so we genuinely hung around together and were real friends. Plus there weren't nearly as many players back then either so we saw each other much more frequently.

Hope you enjoy a few of these. Time tends to alter a person's perception of actual accounts but these are not far from the truth. And thanks again for allowing me to think back about some terrific people who knew which end of the cue to use as well.

Last Cliff Wilson story, just remembered it:

He used to put on all his own cue tips, wouldn't let anybody touch his cue. I was awful at doing tips but I always tried to do my own. Anyway Cliff and I are practicing at his house one afternoon and my tip comes off. He starts putting a tip on my cue and licks the back end of the tip. I said what are you doing licking my tip? He says the saliva seals the tip so the glue won't soak into it when you glue it to the cue, this allows it to adhere better. Never knew that - now to this day I lick the back of my cue tip when i change them. Thanks Cliff!!

Thanks. Never known a Welshman who couldn't sing.
 
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