Why no called shots in 9 ball or 10 ball?

[3kushn]

What difference does it make either way? There are other "rolls" that occur other than just an occasional fluke. The game is the same for everyone.

I find that the only players that want balls to be called are those that feel that they are usually the victim and they NEVER luck a ball, or those that are considered the better players in their respective areas and feel that the lessor tournament players should have to call the money ball.

I say just play, have fun and try to win. The rolls are the rolls. They go both ways.

Gene

Above is the answer.

All that is accomplished with call your shot is more arguments and is the Long Run it changes nothing. In the short run you may win a game that would have been lost but it works the other way too. Why complicate the game simply to change who got lucky on a particular shot. The guy who kissed the ball in or the guy sitting in the chair.

Just have fun with the game. Rules are not the reason we win or lose a game. We are the reason for winning or losing. Not the table not the cue not the cloth not the rubber not the humity not the noise not the heat not the cold ...........Not the rules.

 

[MisterBanker]

i think that format would make safeties to easy. i mean, instead of controlling two balls to play safe you just have to pick the ball before a problem ball and call safe and make that ball without getting shape (unless they make a rule where the ball you are hitting has to stay on the table during a safe or something, but that would really complicate things). 9 ball is fine with the luck factor. if you lose to someone it doesnt matter if they got lucky, the fault rests with the seller's lack of skill in leaving the player a shot that they could get lucky on (or any shot at all).

If you called safety and made a ball it would be your opponent's option to either take the shot or give it back to you.

http://www.gradymathews.com/9ball.html

 

[8ballEinstein]

the only thing I dont like about spotting the 9 on the break is.

Say you make the 9 on the break, well you spot the 9ball, and the CB is behind another ball, so now not only did you have to spot the 9ball, when it should be consider'd a win, but you dont have a shot on the OB and you have to push out.

Or say you make the 9ball, plus another ball, but when you spot the 9ball, the CB, is behind the 9ball, so you dont have a open shot at the OB. Which I seen happen to Jeanette Lee before.

StormHotRod,

Your post got me thinking. Sometimes we look at making the 9 on the break as a cheap win, since very little skill was involved. If we took that away and respotted the 9, that doesn't seem to satisfy everyone either. Maybe respotting the 9 AND getting ball in hand should be the breakers reward.

On the matter of the weaker player having a chance to beat the better player, I am Ok with it. Instead of the better player having a 100% chance of winning, he should be happy to settle for 90%.

 

[smokeandapancak]

I like the idea of a respot with BIH to the breaker .... as an option.....

 

[Cuebacca]

Storm, you bring up a good point. There are definitely ways to resolve that problem though. Another option besides ball-in-hand could be doing what they do in 8-ball, and letting the breaker decide between spotting the 9-ball or re-breaking. Or, in the Florida 10-ball tour rules, what they do is give the breaker the option to spot the 10-ball right away, or wait until the next shot after the break if spotting it immediately after the break would create a problem.

 

[Cuedog]

Storm, you bring up a good point. There are definitely ways to resolve that problem though. Another option besides ball-in-hand could be doing what they do in 8-ball, and letting the breaker decide between spotting the 9-ball or re-breaking. Or, in the Florida 10-ball tour rules, what they do is give the breaker the option to spot the 10-ball right away, or wait until the next shot after the break if spotting it immediately after the break would create a problem.

OMG! This is getting way too much thought.

If the nine is made, you simply spot it up. No game won, no ball-in-hand, no re-break.

What did the breaker do to deserve anything but the next shot? If by spotting the nine, he is snookered, then there is another little known rule called "Push Out". I'm sure some have heard of it. It occurs right after the break whenever the player at the table cannot see the next ball or wants to use some sort of strategy on his opponent.

Gene

 

[hobokenapa]

Just read this thread from the start, some interesting thoughts. I know that I take no pleasure whatsoever from making the 9-on-the-break. It's a cheap way to win, and I have to apologise to my opponent when it happens. So I'm definitely in favor of spotting the 9 if it is slopped from the break.

In a recent Joss tournament, my opponent broke dry, and left the 9-ball over the pocket with the 1 ball one inch away, with the cue ball one inch from the 1-ball. Again, it was embarrassing to win that way, and the fact I feel like that tells me something is wrong.

I don't know what the solution is, only that there seems to be some scope for improving even further what is already a good game, and fact that we are discussing ideas can only be positive. Perhaps the player not shooting after the break always has the option to spot the 9?

And in reference to the snooker comment, it is so rare that balls are slopped in snooker, it is definitely not worth changing the rules. As SJM mentioned, just the pure entertainment when it happens makes it worthwhile ... and of course the first 147 in World Championship history did begin with a fluked red ....