Will the US players even WANT to play the Mosconi Cup next year ?

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Desmondp

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For the individual players, is it worth the stress and hassle ? Look at how much grief they have gotten from this forum alone !

When the US was easily beating Europe, they were beating up on snooker players and part time pool players. That was the idea of the Mosconi cup in the first place, to establish and increase the popularity of 9ball in England and europe and it succeeded

But anyway, so when the US were beating up on Europe, the European players at the time had nothing to lose and so didn't really get any grief for losing. So what if Steve Davis lost at 9ball to the americans, he's still the 6 time snooker champion.

It's not the same today, the US are getting a ton of grief for losing.

I think the best strategy is to get rid of all of the oldies including Archer and have SVB lead a team of youngsters. The fact they were will youngsters will inheritantly reduce the pressure on them to win, kinda like being a snooker player playing 9ball part time.
 
In short, if they still get the $10k for just showing up, the answer is YES, they will all want to play.

They don't give a crap about this forum. They've all written it off.
 
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Desmondp said:
I think the best strategy is to get rid of all of the oldies including Archer and have SVB lead a team of youngsters. The fact they were will youngsters will inheritantly reduce the pressure on them to win, kinda like being a snooker player playing 9ball part time.
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I strongly agree. Most of all, though, we must return to a world in which spots on Team USA are earned through excellence in competition.

Shane is America's best and he will always qualify through his competitive excellence.

As for the other spots, I've got no issue with the old-timers if they earn it. Still, as you suggest, it is time to let the young players lead the way, and that would include players such as Mike Dechaine, Jesse Engel, Brandon Shuff, Billy Thorpe, Skylar Woodward and others. They are the future of American pool, and if qualification for the Mosconi Cup team will be based on merit, they will be leading the way soon.

I'd also like to see us move in the direction of being coached by players who have both Mosconi Cup experience and significant teaching credentials. There are two very capable American instructors who also played on winning Mosconi Cup teams, and that would be Mark Wilson and Tony Robles, who also happen to be fine men. Europe has thrived having an accomplished instructor of the highest character at their helm. Why not us?
 
justadub said:
In short, if they still get the $10k for just showing up, the answer is YES, they will all want to play.

They don't give a crap about this forum. They've all written it off.
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10k? That's gotta make it worth it to these guys. Is there a winners bonus?
On the competition side, not considering any pay out, I think the USA should consider a year or two off of the event. Come back in 2017 with more guarnteed money and the event being held in Miami or Atlanta, somewhere without the distraction of Las Vegas, and with players that really want to be members of the Mosconi Cup team. Five players that point to this event like it was Christmas, the pool olympics. The team for the most part looked pretty disinterested this year. Like it was a way bigger deal to the fans than it was to them. Kinda like football's Pro Bowl.
 
sjm said:
I strongly agree. Most of all, though, we must return to a world in which spots on Team USA are earned through excellence in competition.

Shane is America's best and he will always qualify through his competitive excellence.

As for the other spots, I've got no issue with the old-timers if they earn it. Still, as you suggest, it is time to let the young players lead the way, and that would include players such as Mike Dechaine, Jesse Engel, Brandon Shuff, Billy Thorpe, Skylar Woodward and others. They are the future of American pool, and if qualification for the Mosconi Cup team will be based on merit, they will be leading the way soon.

I'd also like to see us move in the direction of being coached by players who have both Mosconi Cup experience and significant teaching credentials. There are two very capable American instructors who also played on winning Mosconi Cup teams, and that would be Mark Wilson and Tony Robles, who also happen to be fine men. Europe has thrived having an accomplished instructor of the highest character at their helm. Why not us?
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AGREED 100%!!!!

Whatever he has been in the past, Dennis Hatch didn't play in very many tourneys this year. Why would anyone think he would be "in playing shape" compared to those who played all year?

When the players had to earn spots, they all made sure they could get to the points eligible tourneys. (Even to split the finals for the points, sigh...) Playing in all those tourneys has to make them better prepared. It also shows who gives a damn.

All five spots should be earned, not granted. Then we'd see who wants it.

Of course, that won't happen, not while the clique still holds the power.
 
justadub said:
In short, if they still get the $10k for just showing up, the answer is YES, they will all want to play.

They don't give a crap about this forum. They've all written it off.
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Why? Everyone is so positive and supportive.
 
They're better off dumping the U.S team and getting an asian team for 2014 since its going to be in the U.K. Maybe that will help them tap into the asian market viewership.

Maybe Europe vs World(SVB, Orcullo, LeeVan, Ko, Alex)
 
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If they get to pull from all of Europe we should be able to pull from Canada and South America.
 
YubaCushion said:
Why? Everyone is so positive and supportive.
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While there is more than enough negativity here, its easy enough to realize that the most of the crap slinging is done by a relatively small number of the total participants of the forum, so the pro's should understand that there is a greater audience here to speak to and with. (Like the old axiom 90% of the trouble is created by 10% of the participants, or some such)

However, many prefer to label the entire forum as "haters". Its easier, certainly.

An open forum for all to participate in provides plenty of opportunity, and plenty of challenges that go with it.
 
Desmondp said:
For the individual players, is it worth the stress and hassle ? Look at how much grief they have gotten from this forum alone !

When the US was easily beating Europe, they were beating up on snooker players and part time pool players. That was the idea of the Mosconi cup in the first place, to establish and increase the popularity of 9ball in England and europe and it succeeded

But anyway, so when the US were beating up on Europe, the European players at the time had nothing to lose and so didn't really get any grief for losing. So what if Steve Davis lost at 9ball to the americans, he's still the 6 time snooker champion.

It's not the same today, the US are getting a ton of grief for losing.

I think the best strategy is to get rid of all of the oldies including Archer and have SVB lead a team of youngsters. The fact they were will youngsters will inheritantly reduce the pressure on them to win, kinda like being a snooker player playing 9ball part time.
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You said: "It's not the same today, the US are getting a ton of grief for losing."

That is not the reason they are getting their deserved grief.
 
justadub said:
While there is more than enough negativity here, its easy enough to realize that the most of the crap slinging is done by a relatively small number of the total participants of the forum, so the pro's should understand that there is a greater audience here to speak to and with. (Like the old axiom 90% of the trouble is created by 10% of the participants, or some such)

However, many prefer to label the entire forum as "haters". Its easier, certainly.

An open forum for all to participate in provides plenty of opportunity, and plenty of challenges that go with it.
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That's true, The majority of the people here would support the pro's if they were present.
They could generate a lot of interest. Remember the two shot thread, if that was just a regular post it would of been dead in a few days. A pro got involved and it blew up. Imagine if Shane were to start a 10 ball thread. Even with the "haters" Pro's rubbing elbows with the common folk would be a good thing.
 
YubaCushion said:
That's true, The majority of the people here would support the pro's if they were present.
They could generate a lot of interest. Remember the two shot thread, if that was just a regular post it would of been dead in a few days. A pro got involved and it blew up. Imagine if Shane were to start a 10 ball thread. Even with the "haters" Pro's rubbing elbows with the common folk would be a good thing.
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And to be fair, it is unfortunate that a few people take great joy in trying to cause discontent, and to stir the $hit, especially when a pro or other industry member tries to participate.

I'm not one to think that they deserve kid gloves, but they also don't really need to have to be ridiculed just because...and we all lose when they don't stop by here because of it.

I think CJ enjoys the challenge, and mixing it up. I don't know that I always agree with him, but I appreciate his willingness to get into stuff here.
 
NYC cue dude said:
The real question is will they be invited back. And no, it is not certain at all.
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What makes you think that JA won't be invited back? He is the central figure.

And if he gets invited back, so does Rodney. And likely Dennis, too. They are all connected.

Shane is obviously gonna be there, if he wants to be there. No reason to think he won't want to participate.

Unless they go back to a points race qualifying requirement, there is no reason to believe there will be much change. Other than Earl. The 20th anniversary is over, the documentary has aired, his ship has sailed so far as The Cup is concerned.
 
justadub said:
And to be fair, it is unfortunate that a few people take great joy in trying to cause discontent, and to stir the $hit, especially when a pro or other industry member tries to participate.

I'm not one to think that they deserve kid gloves, but they also don't really need to have to be ridiculed just because...and we all lose when they don't stop by here because of it.

I think CJ enjoys the challenge, and mixing it up. I don't know that I always agree with him, but I appreciate his willingness to get into stuff here.
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Right? How many forums do pro's get on and talk to people. If you appreciate them coming on and sharing the jerks come out and say your on their nuts and you worship them because blah blah blah. They just say that because their opinion isn't shared by the pro's and they feel left out or whatever. On the other hand there has been more than enough positive (insert word here) to deserve at least a few more visits. No?
 
YubaCushion said:
Right? How many forums do pro's get on and talk to people. If you appreciate them coming on and sharing the jerks come out and say your on their nuts and you worship them because blah blah blah. They just say that because their opinion isn't shared by the pro's and they feel left out or whatever. On the other hand there has been more than enough positive (insert word here) to deserve at least a few more visits. No?
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Yes. Agreed.
 
Mosconi Cup

If the team this year was based solely on points and you look at the BCA points list the team would look drastically different. It would be SVB, Mike Dechaine, Jeremy Sossei, Rodney Morris and Oscar Dominguez. Now that's a team that could be around for awhile with a good mix of young talent sprinkled with a few veterans. These players earned their place by finishing high in all the big points events with killer fields! Unlike some who just won a popularity contest cuz they know the guy who knows a guy for a free roll at 10k! I think Mr. Hearn should pick based on some kind of points list for next year, atleast those players are in form and would be more competitive than the disaster team of 2013!
Food for thought! Talk amongst yourselfs......
 
justadub said:
What makes you think that JA won't be invited back? He is the central figure.

And if he gets invited back, so does Rodney. And likely Dennis, too. They are all connected.

Shane is obviously gonna be there, if he wants to be there. No reason to think he won't want to participate.

Unless they go back to a points race qualifying requirement, there is no reason to believe there will be much change. Other than Earl. The 20th anniversary is over, the documentary has aired, his ship has sailed so far as The Cup is concerned.
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Did you watch the Cup this year? Do you know what the commotion is all about? Why people are so angry? I'll give you a hint, it has NOTHING to do with team USA losing.

And my post you replied to had nothing to do with particular American players being invited back. Team America, as an entity may be excluded, entirely.

(There are multiple threads about the the real problem here. Perhaps you should read through them. In fact, I even authored one)
 
NYC cue dude said:
Did you watch the Cup this year? Do you know what the commotion is all about? Why people are so angry? I'll give you a hint, it has NOTHING to do with team USA losing.

And my post you replied to had nothing to do with particular American players being invited back. Team America, as an entity may be excluded, entirely.

(There are multiple threads about the the real problem here. Perhaps you should read through them. In fact, I even authored one)
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I watched enough, and read too much :p I'm here WAY too much.

Yes, I am aware of why people are angry. I am also aware of the fact that JA (et al) is wildly influential and often has much to do with who is involved in these things. And since you know these folks personally, you know who is aligned with who, and who isn't. This isn't a terribly deep secret. Which was my point.

Do you think Barry Hearn will keep JA out of this next year, if the format is indeed Europe vs US again? (No, JA wasn't guilty of the poor behavior.)
 
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