tomatoshooter
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That kid came out of nowhere, and I was already on the phone.
Would you call a foul on yourself?
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I would absolutely call a foul on myself now days.
There was a time in my life that I wouldn't.
Those days are long gone.
There was a time in my life that I wouldn't.
Those days are long gone.
tomatoshooter
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If you ask your opponent to watch for a foul does this free you from calling your foul?
If it's a more experienced player, I'd be more inclined to let his call stand. If it's a less experienced player who may be unable to see which ball the cue ball hit first and doesn't understand how to spot a foul by the directions the balls move, I'd be more inclined to call a foul. I typically will tell a player what to look for brie the shot.
If it's a more experienced player, I'd be more inclined to let his call stand. If it's a less experienced player who may be unable to see which ball the cue ball hit first and doesn't understand how to spot a foul by the directions the balls move, I'd be more inclined to call a foul. I typically will tell a player what to look for brie the shot.
Different mentality, different (team) competition.
They worry about integrity, as a true sport does. Integrity matters to me playing pool, so I call fouls on myself.
So you should shoot when they're distracted, and all's fair? What about moving a ball with your hand? If they don't see it, it didn't happen? I wouldn't go so far as to call it cheating, unless your opponent calls it, and you deny the foul. THEN, you're a total douchebag, not just a poor sport.
Right about there. (Three foul scenario) Since it's entirely up to them for that, it's on them to call it. I will and do check for frozen balls if I'm shooting one that's close if I notice it and will alert my opponent either way. Saves them having to jump up every time something is questionable. I prefer my opponents to have some level of trust and respect for me and for the game, and give that at all times until proven wrong.
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Nope. If I feel like I fouled I will say so. If I feel I didn't I will also say so. If I can't tell, I will take their word for whatever they call.
Ultimately, it's up to the shooter when there's no ref. So calling your opponent over doesn't really work too well. If you call over a neutral party, then you treat them like a ref and accept the call they make. I generally only do this if I'm playing someone who either doesn't know when they are about to double hit something, or someone who wants to win so badly, they will see it however they think they should. The brain is a tricky thing, and we have probably all seen things and had our brains show us something slightly different.
How the brain decides what we see
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dendweller
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For me I always do, pretty much to a fault. I find if it's questionable and I'm not sure if it was a foul and I don't call it, I carry that around for the rest of the match. I err on the side of calling it or I won't enjoy the rest of the match.
Don't want to win that way.
Caseyj9779
Who is he?
Some of the players at CSI or Fargo events I have to go to 7 and they have to go to 2. I gotta spot em 5 games, call fouls on myself, hell I might as well get up there and tell them what shot to take. I believe in integrity and all but at some point people need to take responsibility for figuring out the game and playing it the right way.
To begin I wish to state that I would and do call fouls on myself. For me, it's the right thing to do and I would hope that my opponent would do the same. Whether they do or not is on them. That said I will also suggest that I or anyone who chooses to call a foul on themselves also accepts that the opponent has the option to accept or decline the foul.
Why?
Let's assume two players are involved in a One Pocket game and player one has his game ball hanging in his pocket. Player two is locked up on another ball which is lined up towards his opponent's pocket. Player two shoots directly into the obstructing ball and pockets his opponent's game ball while fouling the cue ball with a double hit. He calls a foul on himself. Should this opponent be obligated to accept the foul?
Now before someone posts the tournament rule about flagrant fouls please keep in mind that that rule is primarily used when a ref. is present. One on one competition may produce a heated argument in this case.
The solution is simple. The incoming player has the option to decline the called foul.
Tom
Why?
Let's assume two players are involved in a One Pocket game and player one has his game ball hanging in his pocket. Player two is locked up on another ball which is lined up towards his opponent's pocket. Player two shoots directly into the obstructing ball and pockets his opponent's game ball while fouling the cue ball with a double hit. He calls a foul on himself. Should this opponent be obligated to accept the foul?
Now before someone posts the tournament rule about flagrant fouls please keep in mind that that rule is primarily used when a ref. is present. One on one competition may produce a heated argument in this case.
The solution is simple. The incoming player has the option to decline the called foul.
Tom
Very interesting. Thanks
I’ve called a fake foul on my opponent to get him rattled. I had one customer in the 80’s this always worked on. Nothing to be proud of, I was broke and did what I had to do. He spotted me the 7 playing 9B.
It wasn’t big $ pool, just $50-$100/set pool. He couldn’t make a ball after that move. Solid player too. I figured it out by accident once. I wrongfully called a foul-he went off the rails and I won. He never knew the move, it lasted 2 years until I moved to vegas.
Finding a way to win,
Fatboy
I was playing a tournament for the first time in a new area and one of the players accused me of marking two games when I won one. It was not true. It was alternate breaks and he was insistent the score was 1-1 and it was actually 2-1 me. Because of alternate breaks I knew based on the breaks it had to be an odd score. He won coin toss and broke. I won. Then I B&R. Then he breaks and wins and goes to mark his score and claims it was second game we played and should be 1-1 him. I pointed out he won the coin toss and just broke his second time and that I had broke so we HAD to have played 3 games.
I tried to explain it and he flat out accused me of cheating. TD takes his side because it's my first time there.
I was so pissed I just slammed at balls the rest of the match and lost 5-4 and then lost my second quickly after that.
I realized it was a move once I got home and I fell right into it. He knew he had no chance to beat me otherwise.
Played him a couple of weeks later and made sure to check with him every single time I marked a game. It wasn't hard to keep track in that one because I beat him 5-0. Man was he pissed.
. You should have seen the look on his face when I was like "3-0 now right? 4-0 now right?" lol.
As far as the thread topic goes. I call fouls on myself every time I know I fouled. For some reason I've been double-hitting the CB once in a while lately. Usually a miscue trying to hit maximum topspin and I can feel it but my opponents would almost never call it. I do though.
Then a couple of weeks ago I was playing and called a foul on myself when it wasn't even a foul! My opponent said "That wasn't a foul, you hit a rail." But I had already picked up the CB to hand to him. As I replayed the shot in my mind I realized that he was correct. Doh.
Then a couple of weeks ago I was playing and called a foul on myself when it wasn't even a foul! My opponent said "That wasn't a foul, you hit a rail." But I had already picked up the CB to hand to him. As I replayed the shot in my mind I realized that he was correct. Doh.
Great story. He couldn’t stand it the 2nd time out.I was playing a tournament for the first time in a new area and one of the players accused me of marking two games when I won one. It was not true. It was alternate breaks and he was insistent the score was 1-1 and it was actually 2-1 me. Because of alternate breaks I knew based on the breaks it had to be an odd score. He won coin toss and broke. I won. Then I B&R. Then he breaks and wins and goes to mark his score and claims it was second game we played and should be 1-1 him. I pointed out he won the coin toss and just broke his second time and that I had broke so we HAD to have played 3 games.
I tried to explain it and he flat out accused me of cheating. TD takes his side because it's my first time there.
I was so pissed I just slammed at balls the rest of the match and lost 5-4 and then lost my second quickly after that.
I realized it was a move once I got home and I fell right into it. He knew he had no chance to beat me otherwise.
Played him a couple of weeks later and made sure to check with him every single time I marked a game. It wasn't hard to keep track in that one because I beat him 5-0. Man was he pissed.
Mine was an accident-honest accident I called “no rail” and for a while held my ground. Guy I’m playing went nuclear. Finally I realized I was wrong and didn’t charge him a foul. But he was finished-couldn’t play. I won from that point easily.
Next week we are playing and I remembered that. So I called a close hit a foul, same thing-he fell apart. I knew I was on to something.
Next time we played I didn’t pull that move. Don’t remember how we came out.
After that I knew when ever I was behind or couldn’t afford to loose(there was more action than time to play it all back then) I could always use that trick on him. So I did a few more times-it always worked. Sometimes I’d just beat him(getting the 7)and not need any tricks. we played a zillion times.
I never did slide 2 beads in him, lol-that probably would have worked well also.
Doesn’t make what I did right, of all the guys I’ve played over the years. This is one of the few angle shoots I ever pulled(I can’t recall any others actually-mist be 1 or 2 I forgot about) I always played on the square. This being an exception. And the thing is I actually liked the guy-it was just too easy.
I’ve never moved a ball, or stole a ball playing 1P. I call fouls on myself (and others in this case
). I have got guys drunk to win-is that bad? I miss the action days where you could play 3-4-5 guys a day. The dynamic of playing different matches at different prices in different rooms on the same day was cool. I like that.
Fatboy
Funny you mention that.
I’ve had streaks of double hitting the CB myself. Funny how that works. I always call it. Easy to feel.
Biloxi Boy
Man With A Golden Arm
I haven't read . . . This may have been said already . . . We call fouls on ourselves for our own benefit. We do not do it for our opponents although they benefit, too.
My reputation is worth a ton more than one foul in a game.
Especially now that I’ve been around forever and am deeply ingrained in pool.
Depending on the circumstance I have had a few guys who I’ve played social pool with $10-$20 1P where we would call a foul on ourselves but the foul wasn’t charged. Just let it go as it was between friends and super small $. However we were always honest about the foul. That’s the main thing.
Absolutely yes, I am very competitive and love the win. Just would not be the same IMO