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X-rays of cues, to be shown or not?
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I would like to see x-rays of my cues, especially the zylr. I think it's a great idea.
David
David
Take it to a local x-ray place. On normal x-ray, air or free space looks black.crawdaddio said:
Metals look white/silver.
My friend is on vacation right now.
He x-rayed his cue and was shocked he had 4 inches of air at the bottom ( to reduce weight). His had a 4-inch aluminum stud as well.
I can understand you might want to "see" the inside of your cue, but I don't understand the purpose of showing the x-rays of just any cues. Possibly the cuemaker(s) would be interested in your findings as that may improve the product.
Troy
Troy
Joseph Cues said:I have access to x-rays of cues.
Also a very good friend of mine works a defense contractor.
He can x-ray any cue easily.
Would it be kosher or unethical to show x-rays of these cues?
Some of these "custom" cues x-rays will shock. Off-centered hole, overdrilled hole, metal bolts everywhere, metal bolts drilled to the side of the handle, threaded ferrule hammered in on unthreaded tenon, air gaps everyhere etc.
If you had a shop, would it be unethical to show these x-rays?
Would not mentioning the brand be just ok then you can show the x-rays?
I just want a concensus not a flaming war.
I don't think it would be unethical to show the truth behind the craftsmanship. As long as it was done by an independent source with nothing to lose or gain by the findings. Some things that we as players see as flaws, a cuesmith may have done by design. If you X-rayed 25 South Wests by Franklin himself and found that they all had a 1/4 inch metal rod screwed in it from joint pin to butt bumper, I don't think anyone would think less of his cues. I know I wouldn't.
Go ahead, take a wack at it, i don't think anybody would mind. If they did, they must have something to hide.Joseph Cues said:I have access to x-rays of cues.
Also a very good friend of mine works a defense contractor.
He can x-ray any cue easily.
Would it be kosher or unethical to show x-rays of these cues?
Some of these "custom" cues x-rays will shock. Off-centered hole, overdrilled hole, metal bolts everywhere, metal bolts drilled to the side of the handle, threaded ferrule hammered in on unthreaded tenon, air gaps everyhere etc.
If you had a shop, would it be unethical to show these x-rays?
Would not mentioning the brand be just ok then you can show the x-rays?
I just want a concensus not a flaming war.
Thanks,
Jon
Could You maybe email me what you've got? I'd love to see them. fxskater@telus.net
Show the X-rays!
I would like to see the xrays too. I'd like to see who is using what in cuemaking and how they're doing it. If someone's work is what they say it is, they wouldn't object either. I say, SHOW"EM or let us know where we can see them.
I would like to see the xrays too. I'd like to see who is using what in cuemaking and how they're doing it. If someone's work is what they say it is, they wouldn't object either. I say, SHOW"EM or let us know where we can see them.
Joseph Cues said:
WTG useless thread. You ask a question, everyone tells you they not only think they want to see the X-Rays but think it is a great idea, and then you suddenly say you are not showing them. Suppose you got a PM, I think it is highly lame that he would be such a suck about this idea and you would actually fold like a leaf under the wheel of a truck. Some cuemakers on this board are down right retarded with the amount of secrecy they think their FORMER property is due and the lack of consumer knowledge they think is proper and that they have a right to.
Joseph Cues said:\
If you had a shop, would it be unethical to show these x-rays?
Would not mentioning the brand be just ok then you can show the x-rays?
I just want a concensus not a flaming war.
If you read his post, he never mentioned posting the x-rays. He only asked if it was ethical to show customers in a shop, face to face.
Thanks Striker.striker_3 said:
That's exactly what I asked.
Ok, no more of this then.
I'll delete the post instead.
Some people can't read.
Ahh but Troy's quote lives, the post is not lost!
Seriously, re-reading it I can see that maybe you meant simply showing people in person in your shop, I see no problem in the least with that. The way you wrote your post you made it sound like you were going to share the pictures with the board though. I go a step further, showing the pics here would not be wrong, especially if you don't post who the cues are by. If I go out and buy a brand new car and on going under the car see the exhaust system is being held up by a coat hanger I am totally in my right to post a pic of that on a message board and go WTF. And car company really has no reason to be choked, they built it like that and sold it like that.
The whole cue making community is a secretive bunch that likes to keep everything to themselves and as a customer it looks like you are all trying hard to hide a bunch of things that if customers knew about would wreck something of yours. Thank god I saw my cue being built at every stage, I saw the problems with it and saw the fixes performed on it. I know what I got, I feel sorry for all those people out there that don't have a clue.
Seriously, re-reading it I can see that maybe you meant simply showing people in person in your shop, I see no problem in the least with that. The way you wrote your post you made it sound like you were going to share the pictures with the board though. I go a step further, showing the pics here would not be wrong, especially if you don't post who the cues are by. If I go out and buy a brand new car and on going under the car see the exhaust system is being held up by a coat hanger I am totally in my right to post a pic of that on a message board and go WTF. And car company really has no reason to be choked, they built it like that and sold it like that.
The whole cue making community is a secretive bunch that likes to keep everything to themselves and as a customer it looks like you are all trying hard to hide a bunch of things that if customers knew about would wreck something of yours. Thank god I saw my cue being built at every stage, I saw the problems with it and saw the fixes performed on it. I know what I got, I feel sorry for all those people out there that don't have a clue.
x-rays
SHOW'EM, WHY NOT.....
I see nothing wrong with x-raying my cues. I can not and will not speak for others.
My question to you good folks, is what good will it do to see the x-rays?
Will it make you play better? No it won't. Will it turn you off because you don't like what you see? Who knows?
Do you understand why a cuemaker made his cue have this and that?
Are you an expert in cue construction?
So, guys, what purpose will this serve?
Want to learn cuemaking?
Well, you can't learn from pictures.
You can x-ray my cues all you want. I have nothing to hide, just ask me and I'll tell you what you need to know, and save you a lot of trouble.
{Many years ago, [ in the 80's] there was a fad going to x-ray, buska's, zam-bote's, palmers, gina, and so on. What for was my question? I thought at the time as I do now, what a joke and what will it prove? I ask one high-end cuemaker, CAN'T YOU THINK FOR YOURSELF? He's still PO, at me after all these years. I guess he needed the help, cause his cues have "vodka" glue lines....The more he drinks, more glue lines}....
I never did need x-rays that to build a quality cue. Didn't need it then or now. I, just built what would feel and play great.
blud
poolplayer1988 said:
SHOW'EM, WHY NOT.....
I see nothing wrong with x-raying my cues. I can not and will not speak for others.
My question to you good folks, is what good will it do to see the x-rays?
Will it make you play better? No it won't. Will it turn you off because you don't like what you see? Who knows?
Do you understand why a cuemaker made his cue have this and that?
Are you an expert in cue construction?
So, guys, what purpose will this serve?
Want to learn cuemaking?
Well, you can't learn from pictures.
You can x-ray my cues all you want. I have nothing to hide, just ask me and I'll tell you what you need to know, and save you a lot of trouble.
{Many years ago, [ in the 80's] there was a fad going to x-ray, buska's, zam-bote's, palmers, gina, and so on. What for was my question? I thought at the time as I do now, what a joke and what will it prove? I ask one high-end cuemaker, CAN'T YOU THINK FOR YOURSELF? He's still PO, at me after all these years. I guess he needed the help, cause his cues have "vodka" glue lines....The more he drinks, more glue lines}....
I never did need x-rays that to build a quality cue. Didn't need it then or now. I, just built what would feel and play great.
blud
Actually Blud once we see the X-rays we will then ask you what we are seeing and why those things make the cues we are seeing hit like they do. What is the magic behind a southwests amazing feel, a Predators lack of deflection, how does a super expensive Richard Black compare on the inside where it really counts. These are things I would be quite interested in finding out with some X-Rays to show the inner workings and what different cue makers do to try and get results. Some people watch a magic show and go wow, others watch the show and ask how.
V
((VH))
Guest
when will it be posted here?
Been waiting long enough
Blud's right, it ain't needed but out of curiosity I guess... but is it threading on a cuemakers' trade secrets?
Been waiting long enough
Blud's right, it ain't needed but out of curiosity I guess... but is it threading on a cuemakers' trade secrets?
cost
Hi Dave and the AZ crew members, GOOD THOUGHTS, SIR..
Cost will not come into play with the construction of cues. I would bet there's not $10.00 differance in materials [ depending on where he purchased his matl.] for any $1,000.00 cue.
It's what the guy can get for a quality cue. Some will be constructed [and look the same, via, X-RAY] simular, but still put together better than, "OTHERS".
We all have opinion's about life in general, cues are no differant. We look at them the same way, and at the same time, there differant.
Secrets,,
I don't think so. X-RAYS, are not gong to show all and how the cuemaker preps, his materials, and treats it, and so on and, and, and.......
Does, he turn cut wood when the humidity is to high, and or paint under the same conditions?
Some shops must have a de-humidifer. I don't use them. I let mother nature tell me when I should cut woods, and or paint them.
Think about this
some shop have little or almost no humidity, some have tons of humidity. For the one who have tons, they must construct there cues to be shipped to a dry climate, and stay straight, not deveople rattles and so on. Just the same for the shop that has very little humidity, he's got to go the other direction, and make sure his cue will not warp, swell and or and take on moister...Lots to do in protecting our cues from the elements, including abuse from owners.......
A heck of a lot more goes into building cues than what your going to see with an X-RAY. Lots more....
CARRING,
is the biggest differance building cues. Building something that will last, and last, play well and hold it's value for years to come.
Inlays, woods, how dense the woods are, turn cutting habits, machining habits, using good tooling, adhesives, soaking of woods, air-drying, humidity comes into play, and many more things goes into what you pay for.
Not just X-RAYS, and who's done what.
Think about the guys reputation, is he known as a good cuemaker, or not? Does he back his product?
Have any pro's done well with his cues. I know some will say that any top pro- can play with anything. True, but with a good cue or a better cue, he plays better...
Remember, we all have our own work habits, and do things "OUR" way. That's called, "OPINION"S........
I am known for my cues playability, but some will say no they don't. That's just another ones OPINION"S....Free speach.....
Hope I haven't opened up a can of worms, for some to fuss over, with my thoughts, and OPINION...
Please, comments are very welcome........clean comments, thanks for that.....
blud
DDKoop said:
Hi Dave and the AZ crew members, GOOD THOUGHTS, SIR..
Cost will not come into play with the construction of cues. I would bet there's not $10.00 differance in materials [ depending on where he purchased his matl.] for any $1,000.00 cue.
It's what the guy can get for a quality cue. Some will be constructed [and look the same, via, X-RAY] simular, but still put together better than, "OTHERS".
We all have opinion's about life in general, cues are no differant. We look at them the same way, and at the same time, there differant.
Secrets,,
I don't think so. X-RAYS, are not gong to show all and how the cuemaker preps, his materials, and treats it, and so on and, and, and.......
Does, he turn cut wood when the humidity is to high, and or paint under the same conditions?
Some shops must have a de-humidifer. I don't use them. I let mother nature tell me when I should cut woods, and or paint them.
Think about this
some shop have little or almost no humidity, some have tons of humidity. For the one who have tons, they must construct there cues to be shipped to a dry climate, and stay straight, not deveople rattles and so on. Just the same for the shop that has very little humidity, he's got to go the other direction, and make sure his cue will not warp, swell and or and take on moister...Lots to do in protecting our cues from the elements, including abuse from owners.......
A heck of a lot more goes into building cues than what your going to see with an X-RAY. Lots more....
CARRING,
is the biggest differance building cues. Building something that will last, and last, play well and hold it's value for years to come.
Inlays, woods, how dense the woods are, turn cutting habits, machining habits, using good tooling, adhesives, soaking of woods, air-drying, humidity comes into play, and many more things goes into what you pay for.
Not just X-RAYS, and who's done what.
Think about the guys reputation, is he known as a good cuemaker, or not? Does he back his product?
Have any pro's done well with his cues. I know some will say that any top pro- can play with anything. True, but with a good cue or a better cue, he plays better...
Remember, we all have our own work habits, and do things "OUR" way. That's called, "OPINION"S........
I am known for my cues playability, but some will say no they don't. That's just another ones OPINION"S....Free speach.....
Hope I haven't opened up a can of worms, for some to fuss over, with my thoughts, and OPINION...
Please, comments are very welcome........clean comments, thanks for that.....
blud
