Your Ultimate Cue - Why?

O.K. gang, I'm going to try to divert some attention to pool for a change...let's see how quickly this one can turn to shit and who will do it.

I spend a good part of my day trying to build the ultimate driver (golf club) for a great number of players based on their swing characteristics. In other words, the club is made to fit their ball flight tendencies and swing. There are a number of areas that we look into, but the ones that have considerable impact that relate to pool are: weight, balance, and flex. Torque is a major issue in a golf shaft, but not in pool. WE tell the golfers what will work best for them based on all of the testing and then make the club(s), they don't tell us the specs.

Since no one has yet devised a fitting system for pool (I try to work on it), how did you decide what weight, balance, and flex would work best for your stroke? Did you just get used to a specific cue? Have you experimented with different options? Do you know for a fact that you play best with your specs, or is there a possibility for improvement with something else if you had the opportunity to try them?

In my case, I've experimented from one end of the spectrum to the other with all of those areas. What I've found is that I can't go too light with a cue because it affects my tempo and timing and I tend to hit the CB too hard or tend to jab. When I go heavy, it feels better to me and works great in practice when I'm loose, but it also affects my timing in the transition to the actual stroke, especially when my ass is puckering and my nerves are tight. Something gets lost and my accuracy isn't as great. With that I talking in the 20 oz. plus area. Therefore, between 19.65 - 19.85 works best with a forward balance of between 19-19 1/2 and some days a real stiff shaft feels better and other days a flexy one does. If I go below that in weight, I'm not as consistent from day to day.
 
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In a perfect world. I'd have a cue that felt perfect in my hands and reacted exactly the way i'd think as far as deflection and english every time I got down on the table. Not very many people find this cue in their lifetime but some are fortunate enough to find something close and then there are some that are very very lucky and find the cue that fits their judgement and preference precisely.

CJ
 
My Ultimate Cue - Why?

I think my ultimate cue would be illegal. I want a cue that has a site. You know, like a rifle has. With a distance adjustment. Like the old M14 had. It wouldn't be a problem for me to make sure the site was vertical above the stick. Yup, that's what I need. A peep site. Look through the peep hole and put the front site in the center of the hole lined up to the center of the spot you want the cue to be when it reaches the object ball. Yup, that should do it. :D
 
biGhuK said:
In a perfect world. I'd have a cue that felt perfect in my hands and reacted exactly the way i'd think as far as deflection and english every time I got down on the table. Not very many people find this cue in their lifetime but some are fortunate enough to find something close and then there are some that are very very lucky and find the cue that fits their judgement and preference precisely.

CJ

CJ, that's kinda what I'm talking about. Now, it occurs by happenstance and luck. Don't you at least have some parameters to work with to give you some kind of indication how close you are to that. And if so, how did you come to determine them?
 
Dream Cue

Have you seen the Dave Kikel in the BD yet. That man makes one of the sweetest hitting cues on the planet. IMHO. I have a 99 and love it to death. Correct ballance and weight for me. My next custom cue will be one of his.
Purdman :cool:
 
Donald A. Purdy said:
Have you seen the Dave Kikel in the BD yet. That man makes one of the sweetest hitting cues on the planet. IMHO. I have a 99 and love it to death. Correct ballance and weight for me. My next custom cue will be one of his.
Purdman :cool:


Yes I did see it....what is the balance point and weight that you've found to be the best?
 
drivermaker said:
Yes I did see it....what is the balance point and weight that you've found to be the best?

190z
Balance point 1 3/4 in above the wrap. My next one will have a flat faced Ivory joint due to my hurting wrist. I can't pick up a gallon of milk with my right hand.
Purdman :cool:
 
drivermaker said:
O.K. gang, I'm going to try to divert some attention to pool for a change...let's see how quickly this one can turn to shit and who will do it.

I spend a good part of my day trying to build the ultimate driver (golf club) for a great number of players based on their swing characteristics. In other words, the club is made to fit their ball flight tendencies and swing. There are a number of areas that we look into, but the ones that have considerable impact that relate to pool are: weight, balance, and flex. Torque is a major issue in a golf shaft, but not in pool. WE tell the golfers what will work best for them based on all of the testing and then make the club(s), they don't tell us the specs.

Since no one has yet devised a fitting system for pool (I try to work on it), how did you decide what weight, balance, and flex would work best for your stroke? Did you just get used to a specific cue? Have you experimented with different options? Do you know for a fact that you play best with your specs, or is there a possibility for improvement with something else if you had the opportunity to try them?

In my case, I've experimented from one end of the spectrum to the other with all of those areas. What I've found is that I can't go too light with a cue because it affects my tempo and timing and I tend to hit the CB too hard or tend to jab. When I go heavy, it feels better to me and works great in practice when I'm loose, but it also affects my timing in the transition to the actual stroke, especially when my ass is puckering and my nerves are tight. Something gets lost and my accuracy isn't as great. With that I talking in the 20 oz. plus area. Therefore, between 19.65 - 19.85 works best with a forward balance of between 19-19 1/2 and some days a real stiff shaft feels better and other days a flexy one does. If I go below that in weight, I'm not as consistent from day to day.

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I used to play with wilson red dot irons, d7's, then I would begin to lead tape those mothers on the back, you felt like you could hit them into tomorrow, but in time I found I could not really move more than d2. I traded Jim Dent one time a nice persimmon 4 wood for his 99x sand wedge, this thing began as a rock and he had so much lead tape on it I could hardly swing it. We think we know, later, we find out, we were dead ass wrong.
I went thru that in golf, and in pool. So come see me, I have a half century of acquired knowledge from all the great ones and I can cut thru all this bs that has you now confused.

You draw best with a light cue, 17-18 oz, You follow best with a heavy cue, 20/21 oz. So you play with one inbetween the two. Bob Meucci and I both are in full agreement the best weight for a male of average size is 18.75 ozs.

I play with a pp4 that is that. Right now, the most popular cues are 19 ozs, which is correct.
When I hit my 11 rail bank I use a 22oz duffering house cue. When I break, I use my very stiff Schuler which is 19 oz. There is so much to know, so little time to learn it in.

Best Wishes,

Fast Larry Guninger the power source pool school
 
Best specs for me?

57 or 58 incher. Super hard tip. half inch ferrule. 18-19 ounces. balance point at 17.5 to 18 inches from butt cap (bumper not included but attached). Light and stiff shaft makes me comfortable.

Tapered like the Amercan Taper of Schuler Shafts slightly adjusted to have a longer stroke follow through. This is practically a Schuler shaft with the slight adjustment on the taper. ;)
 
The perfect cue is a jump cue broken, or sawed, in half, or one in the garbage can.

Ok, seriously. Length of 57 inches, shaft not too stiff, long ferrule, soft thin tip, 18 1/2 oz or less. Weight evenly distributed. Sweet-sounding hit.
 
It's really hard to say at this moment in my life. I've only played with a hand full of cues and only owned one so far. So for me to say that this, this, and that is the perfect specifcations for a cue for me would be kind of a stab in the dark. What I can say is that I like the hit of the cues that the builder here locally builds and I'm having one built very soon. I can enlighten on some of the qualities that would have to be in my cue though.

Wood to wood joint with radial pin or 3/8x10 pin.

Joint must be flat faced and phenolic, ivory, or some other material that hits similar to these.

Must be Irish Linen wrapped.

Must be around 18.5-19 oz's

Must have a balance that feels equal at the center of my stroke (The center of my stroke being a normal stroke with my cue tip just about touching the cueball and my stroke forarm completely longitudinal, about a 4-5" bridge.

Must have pro taper or very similar.

Must have 13mm shaft.

Like I said i'm not real far out in left field with my cues. I've had very limited experience and i've just kinda put together qualities i've liked from the small amount of time i've actually had with these cues.

It's funny because cues are kinda like women. You always try to find the exact right one that makes you feel good and just fits you perfectly.... And then you fall in love :D.
 
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