I agree for this layout. A soft draw or stun with right spin (depending on table conditions and speed) will bring the cue ball for easy shape on the 2. Doesn't really matter if you're above or below the 2 ball, the 3 is simple to shape.
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Mike
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I agree for this layout. A soft draw or stun with right spin (depending on table conditions and speed) will bring the cue ball for easy shape on the 2. Doesn't really matter if you're above or below the 2 ball, the 3 is simple to shape.
Best,
Mike
If you're going from the 1 to the 2 you're already doing it the hard way.
Edit: Wait is this 8 ball or 9 ball?
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This is bad advice. A natural forward rolling 12 o'clock center high cue ball is theeeeeeeeeeeeeee easiest shot to control in this situation period. Drawing this shot to shape has Many more variables taking place during execution, and because of this the CUEBALL is more difficult to control. If you don't believe me. Shoot it 20 times each way, your answer will lie with your results. I know I could get the correct shape on the two to the 3 EVERY time with a rolling cue ball, and when I mean shape, I mean the easy/simple/natural angle from the two to the three. I of course could draw and get shape on the 2 every time, but I Know I would come up with bad angles from the two to the three often. Your also bringing into play the cue ball spin off the bottom cushion from the cue ball, that is NEVER 100% controllable.
One basic item on this shot is this. Your looking forward to shoot the one ball in the upper pocket, and your also seeing where the two ball is at during shot execution. This gives you allot more position feedback because your also able to see the two ball, a simple but very important principle to incorporate into your game plan.
This is bad advice. A natural forward rolling 12 o'clock center high cue ball is theeeeeeeeeeeeeee easiest shot to control in this situation period. Drawing this shot to shape has Many more variables taking place during execution, and because of this the CUEBALL is more difficult to control. If you don't believe me. Shoot it 20 times each way, your answer will lie with your results. I know I could get the correct shape on the two to the 3 EVERY time with a rolling cue ball, and when I mean shape, I mean the easy/simple/natural angle from the two to the three. I of course could draw and get shape on the 2 every time, but I Know I would come up with bad angles from the two to the three often. Your also bringing into play the cue ball spin off the bottom cushion from the cue ball, that is NEVER 100% controllable.
One basic item on this shot is this. Your looking forward to shoot the one ball in the upper pocket, and your also seeing where the two ball is at during shot execution. This gives you allot more position feedback because your also able to see the two ball, a simple but very important principle to incorporate into your game plan.
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takeitdown
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Yes play on 2 to be below it so you hit it in with a little draw to drift over on the 3. From there everyone should be out.
Good to practice 5 ball outs. You can finish 1/3 racks with a good runout percentage, then before you know it full racks..packages and who knows.
What I have seen personally for beginners is that they have an easier time with follow shots vs draw shots, even if the draw shot does not appear to be difficult. I would have to say for a beginner on this one the follow shot would be the first option (taking that rail out of play).
Both shots require good speed control paired with the correct angle placing the cue ball (assuming straight low or straight high on the cue ball aiming location).
OP, try both shots 20 times and then report back how many times you made the 2 ball. Don't even worry about the 3 and the 4. Really just focus on that first shot for each of the two ways and report back your findings.
Both shots require good speed control paired with the correct angle placing the cue ball (assuming straight low or straight high on the cue ball aiming location).
OP, try both shots 20 times and then report back how many times you made the 2 ball. Don't even worry about the 3 and the 4. Really just focus on that first shot for each of the two ways and report back your findings.
Old Nine Baller
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Yes, you are forgetting to shoot the 1 ball and getting on the 2 ball and you are missing the fact there is no 9 ball on the table.
ONB
Dave I did take your original post as being snippy - sorry if I mis read your intent. I am asking for advice (and opening myself for ridicule lol) because even with ball in hand I could not get position on the 2.
Old Nine Baller
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Does your advice come from memory (when you could still play) or have you been in a poolroom recently?
I don't believe/disbelieve anything. I know what is the right thing to do. I don't need to ask.
Using draw in this situation is clearly the right shot.
ONB
Bran, this is a practice drill. I am shooting the balls intentionally in numeric order.
I think what you mean is a "sliding cue ball" is more predictable, now that I will agree with. But if I were to chose between just draw and follow, I chose follow every time.
so just to be clear
1. Stun
2. Follow
3. Draw
This is the shot I started with, hit the 1 with follow. I just couldn't get shape on the 2 to save my life.
lol, yes, my question. How to get from the 1 to the 2.
1. This shot is definitely the way to play it. It's *so* fundamental--a variant comes up in basically every rack of 8 or 9, and it's fundamental to nearly all runouts in 1 pocket. If it's not easy for you, then practice, practice, practice till it is.
2. It's true that follow is more reliable than draw, all else equal. However, all else is not equal here. First, taking the follow path, there's some chance of nipping the bottom of the 2-ball or even the top of the 8 ball--especially for a beginner. Taking the draw path, that's not going to happen. Second, I find that using the rail by the object ball generally makes it much easier to control the cueball, which is what happens on the diagrammed draw shot.
3. Even so, I'd would expect to get out going either way--the difference is fairly small.
Cory
You handing out freebies!
What's the old cliche? Draw's for show; follow's for dough.
I think one should be able to execute either, but follow is far more consistent.
I dont agree with this, and I don't think you'll find many other players or instructors who would agree and recommend draw rather than follow. Following to a specific spot has got to be more predictable than drawing into it, all else being equal.
In the situation diagrammed, there's simply a bigger window between the 2 and 8 with the low right shot into the bottom pocket than the follow shot in the top pocket.
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I looked again and while draw maximizes the gap you travel the cue ball through, it doesn't ensure the right angle to get on the 3. With draw its very easy to get to close to the side rail and then to steep of an angle. Coming short with draw can leave no shot. With follow, I could go 0, 1, or even 2 rails and still be ok.
I am only shooting the 2 in the bottom pocket Brussells
Reading the back and forth, I was coming to the conclusion that I should keep practicing both methods. I like the idea of being off the rail a bit with the cue ball and I will try this.
Thanks for all the input folks.