Who Really is the BEST Pool Hustler in the Country?

[Blue Hog ridr]

Not sure how he can be doing that he said it will NOT be streamed, televised or broadcast in any way, shape, or form post #53
sounds like to me he is offering a old school gambling match

Terry, I didn't get that from CJ's first post. I generally read every post in a thread, but when it comes to any of CJ's threads, I usually skip most of his as I find it hard to fade the bragging and name dropping.

So yes, I am guilty of posting in a thread where I didn't read everything before hand.
My fault.

Yet, considering that it looks like The American Hustler will get off the ground, and even more so with Keith joining the crew in some fashion, CJ inviting Scooters Crew down, the only thing he is doing is trying to horn in on the Video Action.

CJ may have been born at night, but it wasn't last night. Of course, if Scooter's crew accepts the offer, there is a great chance that Peyton will also be there and it will be videoed.

With Peyton's thread, and then Keith's thread announcing that he is also going to be part of the production, CJ felt obliged to start a thread to see if he can get in on it as well.

CJ has bragged about having connections in the biz and has promised that he was going to do something in the future but nothing yet. Blatantly obvious that he is trying to get in on the production without any cost to himself.

My nickels worth. Sometimes it's worth a nickel and sometimes a penny.

 

[CJ Wiley]

We just have a difference of opinion....then we gamble, it's not complicated

You didn't read the other posts, I'm not part of "Scooter's crew" nor will I ever be part of it. I'm with who I consider the best "action man" in the country and have been for over 30 years.......we have a difference of opinion, not uncommon for grown men.....then we gamble to see who's opinion is correct....it's very simple.

You guys are making this into something complicated, it's not, we do this type thing several times a year, this is just the first time we've made it public....and maybe the last. 'The Game is Our Teacher'

Terry, I didn't get that from CJ's first post. I generally read every post in a thread, but when it comes to any of CJ's threads, I usually skip most of his as I find it hard to fade the bragging and name dropping.

So yes, I am guilty of posting in a thread where I didn't read everything before hand.
My fault.

Yet, considering that it looks like The American Hustler will get off the ground, and even more so with Keith joining the crew in some fashion, CJ inviting Scooters Crew down, the only thing he is doing is trying to horn in on the Video Action.

CJ may have been born at night, but it wasn't last night. Of course, if Scooter's crew accepts the offer, there is a great chance that Peyton will also be there and it will be videoed.

With Peyton's thread, and then Keith's thread announcing that he is also going to be part of the production, CJ felt obliged to start a thread to see if he can get in on it as well.

CJ has bragged about having connections in the biz and has promised that he was going to do something in the future but nothing yet. Blatantly obvious that he is trying to get in on the production without any cost to himself.

My nickels worth. Sometimes it's worth a nickel and sometimes a penny.

 

[Old Nine Baller]

The best hustler in the country would never have written this:

If the 5/6/7/8/9/ are on the table and you're getting the "last 4" the "money balls are the 6/7/8/9 - if you shoot the 5 and "accidently" (or on purpose) make either the 6/7/8 or 9 you win......this means they are ALL money balls even if there's more than 4 balls on the table.

For the record again CJ, the "last 4" is not known until there are only 4 balls left on the table. The 6, 7, and 8 are not money balls while the 5 is on the table, only after it's gone.

ONB

 

[CJ Wiley]

.Jack will play until "the cows come home"....but doesn't always win.

I was around "Frisco" Jack throughout the country, but it was Morristown Tenn where I saw the "behind the scenes" action. It was always funny to see when he and Barbara didn't agree on a game, I've seen her literally have to force him to quit......Jack will play until "the cows come home"....but doesn't always match up very well.

Funny, but a guy that wised me up about a lot early on once told me that he swore Cooney was a shape shifter. He said every time he seen Cooney (which was probably more than most) he would not only look different but he swore Jack would look taller or shorter. He said most of the time he wouldn't pick up on who it was until he had taken a double or triple take. LOL

 

[CJ Wiley]

they were actually "money balls" when there were more than 4 balls on the table.

That's not true because if you make the 5 and the 6/7/or 8 at the same time you win. So they were actually "money balls" when there were more than 4 balls on the table...you just didn't "real eyes" it.

The best hustler in the country would never have written this:




For the record again CJ, the "last 4" is not known until there are only 4 balls left on the table. The 6, 7, and 8 are not money balls while the 5 is on the table, only after it's gone.

ONB

 

[pt109]

The best hustler in the country would never have written this:




For the record again CJ, the "last 4" is not known until there are only 4 balls left on the table. The 6, 7, and 8 are not money balls while the 5 is on the table, only after it's gone.

ONB

Semantics is the teacher.

 

[u12armresl]

When is Indianapolis not a neutral place?
Last time I checked CJ lived in Texas, that's about as far away from Indiana as you can get.

DCC is 2 hours south of Indy, guess playing in a secure room like Brickyard that can stay open 24/7 and has no issues as opposed to a casino with Federal restrictions on almost everything is better huh?

This hustler "challenge" is for the most part, a joke. In reality , its just some marketing tactic for product placement, reality show promo. Blah blah blah. The better player heads up player is Cj, I think everyone knows that. Its just that, Cj will not play in a neutral place. Also, give scooter a real chance of winning. Cj doesn't book a bad game. I think scooter knowing his opponent will gamble more often. But not in this case. Someone suggested the DDC as a site and that would be a great place. You know scooter would be there waiting to get woolfing going with Cj and to make a game of some sort. But, I think Cj is scared. And the real pressure to match up would be on him. Especially in front of all of pools gamblers and hustlers.

Too much talking and not enough walking.

 

[Bambu]

That's not true because if you make the 5 and the 6/7/or 8 at the same time you win. So they were actually "money balls" when there were more than 4 balls on the table...you just didn't "real eyes" it.

Wouldn't that be the wild 6 and out? The whole point of a "last 2" spot as opposed to "and out" was that it was a lesser spot. You couldn't combo your spot ball whatever it ended up being, and you had to call it too. I guess things vary regionally.

 

[CJ Wiley]

Make 6 balls on the break and you win with the "last 4"

The difference is when you have the 6/7/8/9 you can make them on the break or in combinations.....of course if you make 6 balls on the break you win with the "last 4" because of the reasons I mentioned earlier.

Wouldn't that be the wild 6 and out? The whole point of a "last 2" spot as opposed to "and out" was that it was a lesser spot. You couldn't combo your spot ball whatever it ended up being, and you had to call it too. I guess things vary regionally.

 

[CJ Wiley]

Road Players can get financially well if they can win for the serious dough.

That's right, anyone that has been to THE BRICKYARD would agree with you. It stays open 24 hours and the owner is one of the most respected gamblers in the country.... top notch Road Players can get financially well if they can win for the serious dough.

The Derby isn't a very good place to hit that atomic gear.....it knocks everyone involved.

When is Indianapolis not a neutral place?
Last time I checked CJ lived in Texas, that's about as far away from Indiana as you can get.

DCC is 2 hours south of Indy, guess playing in a secure room like Brickyard that can stay open 24/7 and has no issues as opposed to a casino with Federal restrictions on almost everything is better huh?

 

[CJ Wiley]

"last 4" are live on every shot so they are, in fact, money balls.

You are taking a strange position - when I'm giving someone the "last 9" and they make one on the break they win.....this obviously means they were "live," even on the break shot, and all other shots.

There may not be any early combinations, but the "last 4" are live on every shot so they are, in fact, money balls.

The best hustler in the country would never have written this:




For the record again CJ, the "last 4" is not known until there are only 4 balls left on the table. The 6, 7, and 8 are not money balls while the 5 is on the table, only after it's gone.

ONB

 

[Bambu]

The difference is when you have the 6/7/8/9 you can make them on the break or in combinations.....of course if you make 6 balls on the break you win with the "last 4" because of the reasons I mentioned earlier.

I thought you just said with last 4 you could make the 4th last ball on an accidental combo for a win.

Also, around here anyway.....any spot I've ever seen gets spotted up, even if its wild.

 

[CJ Wiley]

If you were playing "spot the one before the money ball" the 5 would spot

No, you can't make any early combinations with the last 4.....I listed that as a difference in this post from earlier. If there's 5 balls on the table, the 9 and three others are "money ball" because if you were to shoot and make ANY two balls on the table you would win.

If you were playing "spot the one before the money ball" the 5 would spot if made on a scratch because "the last 4" are, in fact, money balls.

The difference is when you have the 6/7/8/9 you can make them on the break or in combinations..

I thought you just said with last 4 you could make the 4th last ball on an accidental combo for a win.

Also, around here anyway.....any spot I've ever seen gets spotted up, even if its wild.

 

[peteypooldude]

I thought you just said with last 4 you could make the 4th last ball on an accidental combo for a win.

Also, around here anyway.....any spot I've ever seen gets spotted up, even if its wild.

The way I've always played is this.... If I give you the last 4 and any of the last four balls go in a pocket while you're at the table you win unless they are called balls and that has to be specified. The 6 out would be 6.7,8,9 at anytime in any pocket while your at the table unless it's the call 6,7,8,9

 

[HawaiianEye]

THIS guy was the BEST "hustler" I ever saw in action and I still don't know with 100% certainty who he was.

http://forums.azbilliards.com/showthread.php?t=240953&highlight=tyler

 

[CJ Wiley]

The 6/7/8/9 and the "Last 4" are the same thing EXCEPT

Yes, you are playing correctly. The 6/7/8/9 and the "Last 4" are the same thing EXCEPT there's no early combinations when getting the "Last 4".

If you were playing the original rules and agreed to spot "one before the money ball" this would be the same thing with the 6/7/8/9 on the table......whether getting the "6 Out" OR "The Last 4" you would spot the 5 if you made it and scratched (ball in hand behind the line).

The way I've always played is this.... If I give you the last 4 and any of the last four balls go in a pocket while you're at the table you win unless they are called balls and that has to be specified. The 6 out would be 6.7,8,9 at anytime in any pocket while your at the table unless it's the call 6,7,8,9

 

[peteypooldude]

Yes, you are playing correctly. The 6/7/8/9 and the "Last 4" are the same thing EXCEPT there's no early combinations when getting the "Last 4".

If you were playing the original rules and agreed to spot "one before the money ball" this would be the same thing with the 6/7/8/9 on the table......whether getting the "6 Out" OR "The Last 4" you would spot the 5 if you made it and scratched (ball in hand behind the line).

Yep, that's exactly the way I've always played it

 

[runouteasy]

Yep, that's exactly the way I've always played it

Here and most places in US it's not as you and CJ said.

If I give up last 4 and make the 7 on the break. My opponent gets the 5 6 8 9 as last 4. Here we don't spot up anything on the break in a last anything game. If it's made early on a combo same thing it stays down.

I like giving last 3 over giving 8 and a game. I have more control and opponent can't luck out as easily. Wish guys would play even but it just doesn't happen much anymore. Everyone is looking for the nuts. When you outrun that..they want more.

 

[CJ Wiley]

You aren't saying anything different, my point was if there's 5 balls on the table and you make two of them you win.....in both type games.....the spotting balls is pertaining to the original rules, not "one foul" where spotting balls happens infrequently.

Here and most places in US it's not as you and CJ said.

If I give up last 4 and make the 7 on the break. My opponent gets the 5 6 8 9 as last 4. Here we don't spot up anything on the break in a last anything game. If it's made early on a combo same thing it stays down.

I like giving last 3 over giving 8 and a game. I have more control and opponent can't luck out as easily. Wish guys would play even but it just doesn't happen much anymore. Everyone is looking for the nuts. When you outrun that..they want more.

 

[one stroke]

That's right, anyone that has been to THE BRICKYARD would agree with you. It stays open 24 hours and the owner is one of the most respected gamblers in the country.... top notch Road Players can get financially well if they can win for the serious dough.

The Derby isn't a very good place to hit that atomic gear.....it knocks everyone involved.

Really so why is it your working for a living


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