ragbug74, lefty84, and nwtflogan...thanks for the info...I really appreciate it. I found the green one with the chain links..its a model m-11 (brings back memories) ( i was a little boozed up one night after winning some money and drinking for free at a local establishment..got into my cool Trans-am..pulled away smokin the tires..looked back in the side view mirror, and watched in horror as my m-11 meucci went sliding down the road !!! Case was busted wide open, and cue looked like it went thru a washing machine full of ball bearings. I had forgotten it was on the roof of the car when I was unlocking the door on said "cool Trans-am". ) Valuable lesson learned back then...lol. Anyways, nwtflogan..the "black knight" I am refering to had a darker stained forearm with 4 white points, and the butt (solid white) was very distinctive because it went sorta high (almost twice as high as a regular meucci), and reminded me of a thoroughbred horses leg when they tape em up real high for racing. Wish I still had that cue (sigh). I have since elevated my game to Richard Black status cues..but kinda miss them old ones. Thanks for the help guys.