Becoming a professional

mapman72

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I hope I get some feedback from the pros on this one. I am at the point in my life where my pool game is very good, but I just can't get over the hump and beat the pros consistently. I play in the regional tour events, and can upset a pro every now and again, but I'm more likely to lose both matches to professional caliber players and just make it into the money rounds and break even or make a little cash. One thing I notice after I play well and lose to McCready or Davis 7-5 or 9-7 is that these guys don't work other than playing pool. Right now, I have a decent career and make pretty good money. Although I would love to try to become professional and play pool for a living, I know I would have to take my lumps for a while until I could make enough money to survive. So my question is: Do I have to totally give up my career and focus all my attention on my pool game to take a chance at turning pro and making living playing pool? or, Can I continue to work a regular job and try to increase my practice time and expect to be able to improve to the level to compete with the professionals that play pool every day of the week? I wanted the feedback from the pros because I'm sure they were all faced with this dilemna at one point or another. When do you know when it's time to drop the "traditional" lifestyle and jump into professional pool? and, can you do it halfway or you just have to take the plunge? Oh, by the way, I'm hating my job lately.

Please help :confused: :confused: :confused:
 
My $0.02....

If you enjoy seeing a doctor and not paying full retail price with no insurance help, keep your job.

If you like knowing that you can eat what you want, when you want, keep your job.

If material posessions have no meaning to you, become a pro.

If you like being broke (completely) every now and then, become a pro.

The list can go on and on, but you get my meaning.
 
If you have enough in the bank to pay ALL your expenses for at least 3yrs, this includes travel and entry fees. I say then give it a shot, but don't get disappointed if it doesn't work out.

Having been there I can tell you it is a lonely existence, you play pro billiards for the love of the game, not the money. Trust me there isn't a whole lot of money in it and alot more in expenses than you think.
 
mapman72 said:
I hope I get some feedback from the pros on this one. I am at the point in my life where my pool game is very good, but I just can't get over the hump and beat the pros consistently. I play in the regional tour events, and can upset a pro every now and again, but I'm more likely to lose both matches to professional caliber players and just make it into the money rounds and break even or make a little cash. One thing I notice after I play well and lose to McCready or Davis 7-5 or 9-7 is that these guys don't work other than playing pool. Right now, I have a decent career and make pretty good money. Although I would love to try to become professional and play pool for a living, I know I would have to take my lumps for a while until I could make enough money to survive. So my question is: Do I have to totally give up my career and focus all my attention on my pool game to take a chance at turning pro and making living playing pool? or, Can I continue to work a regular job and try to increase my practice time and expect to be able to improve to the level to compete with the professionals that play pool every day of the week? I wanted the feedback from the pros because I'm sure they were all faced with this dilemna at one point or another. When do you know when it's time to drop the "traditional" lifestyle and jump into professional pool? and, can you do it halfway or you just have to take the plunge? Oh, by the way, I'm hating my job lately.

Please help :confused: :confused: :confused:

I think there's nothing wrong with taking some time off and jumping into the scene for a little while. I know plenty that have done that. Keep in mind though, there are few careers in pool and if most had to do it over again, I doubt they would have chosen their path. There's an ugly side to pool that you're simply not seeing. I mean, it gets really ugly. I know great players that died broke.
 
1pRoscoe said:
My $0.02....

If you enjoy seeing a doctor and not paying full retail price with no insurance help, keep your job.

If you like knowing that you can eat what you want, when you want, keep your job.

If material posessions have no meaning to you, become a pro.

If you like being broke (completely) every now and then, become a pro.

The list can go on and on, but you get my meaning.


Few Pro Players DIE Rich, but some people need not have material possessions, or the security of a weekly pay check.

If being a Pro Player is your DREAM, follow that DREAM until you no longer want it.

Tis better to have tried to be something, than to look back upon life in your Senior Years, and say if, I should have, etc.
 
Ok, mabey this is going to be any help at all, but what about what they are trying to do with IPT? I mean, it seems legit and you have a guy who has a whole hell of a lot of money trying to get pool players some money. If this tour actually takes off, who knows what the possibilites might be. What is it going to take for some of the road players and pros to join? I mean the money is guarenteed isn't it?
 
shoutout33 said:
Ok, mabey this is going to be any help at all, but what about what they are trying to do with IPT? I mean, it seems legit and you have a guy who has a whole hell of a lot of money trying to get pool players some money. If this tour actually takes off, who knows what the possibilites might be. What is it going to take for some of the road players and pros to join? I mean the money is guarenteed isn't it?


Do you realize how many great players would come out of their holes if pool ever made decent money? There are plenty of guys that simply don't bother. If there were money at this, I assure you, the average shortstop who aspires to be pro wouldn't stand a chance.
 
It's like love at first sight ...

You see a woman, love her at first glance, and say to
yourself, 'that's the woman I will marry'.

But, after marrying her, putting up with her flaws for
a few years after the 'newness' wears off, end up
getting divorced, and doing some thinking for awhile,

you say to yourself, 'why in the hell did I ever do such
a stupid thing', and you decide it was not the best thing
you ever did, like you once thought it would be, but that
it was one of the worst things you ever did, but you
might enjoy the ride though .... lol
 
Do you realize how many great players would come out of their holes if pool ever made decent money? There are plenty of guys that simply don't bother. If there were money at this, I assure you, the average shortstop who aspires to be pro wouldn't stand a chance.

So Jude, are you saying that even if the IPT took off, there would still be some cats out there on the road trying to play for the big bucks when they could have a decent chance on a tour that might pay out a LOT of positions?!?

Imagine getting 30th place and still getting around $3000. I think that's the whole point to IPT is not just getting the big 1st place prize, but being able to have a great payout to a lot of the finishers. Besides Jude, if this is a pro tour, not everyone is going to be able to compete on that level. That's what the original subject is about in the first place...right?
 
Seems the only way to make money in pool is being a female... better marketability means more sponsors. This is unfortunate because I'd like to see more of men's pool, but we see the same things in other sports, where men usually dominate in the media.
 
Carpe Diem

mapman72 said:
I hope I get some feedback from the pros on this one. I am at the point in my life where my pool game is very good, but I just can't get over the hump and beat the pros consistently. I play in the regional tour events, and can upset a pro every now and again, but I'm more likely to lose both matches to professional caliber players and just make it into the money rounds and break even or make a little cash. One thing I notice after I play well and lose to McCready or Davis 7-5 or 9-7 is that these guys don't work other than playing pool. Right now, I have a decent career and make pretty good money. Although I would love to try to become professional and play pool for a living, I know I would have to take my lumps for a while until I could make enough money to survive. So my question is: Do I have to totally give up my career and focus all my attention on my pool game to take a chance at turning pro and making living playing pool? or, Can I continue to work a regular job and try to increase my practice time and expect to be able to improve to the level to compete with the professionals that play pool every day of the week? I wanted the feedback from the pros because I'm sure they were all faced with this dilemna at one point or another. When do you know when it's time to drop the "traditional" lifestyle and jump into professional pool? and, can you do it halfway or you just have to take the plunge? Oh, by the way, I'm hating my job lately.

Please help :confused: :confused: :confused:

I'm sure it'd be exhilarating for a while. You really feel like you are living when you break out of your comfort zone and do something totally different. It's better to try than to always say "what if?".

However, the realistic side is you gotta have enough savings to do it for at least a year. If you have a good paying job then maybe that is possible. But I would not recommend playing just to get food on the table. Then after a year, the worst that can happen is that you'll be a truly awesome amateur player :)

My brother is in the same position as you, but not for pool. He dreams of becoming a professional magician. He has all the skills, but he has a wife and family to support. The difference is that there is money to be made. Once he gets himself well known enough, he will earn more money even though he's on a decent $70k salary now. Like you , he hates his job and sees this as a way out, but to him, it will be fulfulling a dream.

I'm sure many people like myself took time off to do the travelling thing. I saved up $20k then arranged with my job to take four months off unpaid. Then I got on a plane and went around the world on my own. Sure, I was scared when I left my cosy job and was at the airport on my own with just a suitcase, and not knowing anyone where I was going. But it was a good scared, an exhilarating scared. I came back with experiences to last a lifetime: Climbing Ayers Rock, an African Safari, a helicopter ride over the Grand Canyon, and made friends I'll never forget. I'm now living and working abroad too, and I just can't imagine having not made that trip.

You make a good point about playing for fun or for money. For me, it's fun. I don't enter Tri-State events in New York for the money, but because I enjoy it. I'd enter a tournament with just prestige and no prize money (like the US Amateur). Of course, that's not to say getting $1000 for winning a tournament isn't great, but for me, it's the trophy that sits on my mantlepiece and the accomplishment that I'll remember.

Whatever you decide, best of luck.
 
mapman72 said:
Oh, by the way, I'm hating my job lately.

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That might be enough in itself.

How about this?

Work part time at a popular pool hall. Give lessons for $$. Let the pool hall know what you are planning to do, they may allow you to be flexible. If you make the move, best of luck and enjoy every moment. Be bold, take the risk after you have weighed everything.

If you decide to move forward, I wish you the best.
 
sometimes ...

the height of the memories aren't realized until
we make the journey ... even though we may not
know where we are going at the time ...
 
RichardCranium said:
Some questions....How good are you??? honestly....Forget about Mike Davis and Keith....(No offense to them)...but How would you match up with Earl or Efrin???? for all the money in your pocket????

If you can HONESTLY say you can beat them...quit your job and turn pro...

Good Luck

This made me laugh. If this were a requirement to turn pro then there would only be two pros in the world Earl and Efren.

Wayne
 
This is no "professional' pool that exist in the US as of this date and no "professional tour" to mention either. There is only a handful of major tournaments that the best in the country and the world show up to play in and lots of regional tournament around the country.

Taking a few months off here and there each year to travel and play in tournaments and gamble would be your best ticket. Keep your job!

If you can win 7+ games from the top players that you have played against, then you have a good chance of winning against them, whats a few more games to put you over the top! Buy yourself a 9ft table and put it in your house and start practicing...

To be a full time pool player and not work a regular job, you better be beating players like Johnny Archer, Earl Strickland, Efren Reyes and Rodney Morris on a regular basis. These guys are only a handful of the best that are out there. They have sponsors to pay the bills, entry fees, hotel/motel cost and car rentals, mortgages, rent and food bills. Without their sponsors there tournament winning wouldn't amount to much.


Not to mention gambling losses, health and so on.....


Just take a few months off each year and travel the county playing in big tournaments and see how that goes for you! If this was Europe or Asia your chances of becoming a pro player and succeeding are much greater or better yet, become a Snooker player, they can win a $100,000 for one tournament!

Best of fortune!
 
shoutout33 said:
So Jude, are you saying that even if the IPT took off, there would still be some cats out there on the road trying to play for the big bucks when they could have a decent chance on a tour that might pay out a LOT of positions?!?

Imagine getting 30th place and still getting around $3000. I think that's the whole point to IPT is not just getting the big 1st place prize, but being able to have a great payout to a lot of the finishers. Besides Jude, if this is a pro tour, not everyone is going to be able to compete on that level. That's what the original subject is about in the first place...right?


No, I'm saying anyone out there who can play is going to start touring and I assure you there are much better players out there than what the men's tour exhibits. I know a guy you've never heard of DRILL Mika Immonen. He runs 100's on 4 inch pockets, plays 1-pocket GREAT and can hang with anybody in 9-ball. He'd be a DCC favorite to win and he doesn't leave Long Island ever!
 
mapman72 said:
I hope I get some feedback from the pros on this one. I am at the point in my life where my pool game is very good, but I just can't get over the hump and beat the pros consistently. I play in the regional tour events, and can upset a pro every now and again, but I'm more likely to lose both matches to professional caliber players and just make it into the money rounds and break even or make a little cash. One thing I notice after I play well and lose to McCready or Davis 7-5 or 9-7 is that these guys don't work other than playing pool. Right now, I have a decent career and make pretty good money. Although I would love to try to become professional and play pool for a living, I know I would have to take my lumps for a while until I could make enough money to survive. So my question is: Do I have to totally give up my career and focus all my attention on my pool game to take a chance at turning pro and making living playing pool? or, Can I continue to work a regular job and try to increase my practice time and expect to be able to improve to the level to compete with the professionals that play pool every day of the week? I wanted the feedback from the pros because I'm sure they were all faced with this dilemna at one point or another. When do you know when it's time to drop the "traditional" lifestyle and jump into professional pool? and, can you do it halfway or you just have to take the plunge? Oh, by the way, I'm hating my job lately.

Please help :confused: :confused: :confused:

It sounds like you aren't good enough yet to warrant taking the "plunge". It might be wiser to invest in things that would improve your game so you can get to a point where you have a realistic chance of turning pro and making a living playing pool. Do you have a table at your house? Can you get lessons from top pros? Do you match up with high caliber players for decent stakes? If so, do you have a cool, calm, confidence in these matchups? If you figure you are a slight favorite are you willing to bet it up high? Are you constantly learning and improving?

There are probably another few dozen questions like this that if you answer no to any or more than one or two you are not ready to make the "plunge". My suggestion would be to invest some of your pretty decent money in getting much better and then go for it.

Wayne
 
mapman72 said:
I hope I get some feedback from the pros on this one. I am at the point in my life where my pool game is very good, but I just can't get over the hump and beat the pros consistently. I play in the regional tour events, and can upset a pro every now and again, but I'm more likely to lose both matches to professional caliber players and just make it into the money rounds and break even or make a little cash. One thing I notice after I play well and lose to McCready or Davis 7-5 or 9-7 is that these guys don't work other than playing pool. Right now, I have a decent career and make pretty good money. Although I would love to try to become professional and play pool for a living, I know I would have to take my lumps for a while until I could make enough money to survive. So my question is: Do I have to totally give up my career and focus all my attention on my pool game to take a chance at turning pro and making living playing pool? or, Can I continue to work a regular job and try to increase my practice time and expect to be able to improve to the level to compete with the professionals that play pool every day of the week? I wanted the feedback from the pros because I'm sure they were all faced with this dilemna at one point or another. When do you know when it's time to drop the "traditional" lifestyle and jump into professional pool? and, can you do it halfway or you just have to take the plunge? Oh, by the way, I'm hating my job lately.

Please help :confused: :confused: :confused:

Unless you can find a pro that gave up a job in which they made good money to go pro, I'd place a lot more credence in those that have had good paying jobs and faced the decision of whether to give it up to try their luck at pro pool.

If you're good enough, you can work and play pro pool. Mizerak was a seventh grade school teacher while he was winning four USA Opens from 1970-73. Irving Crane had a car dealership in upstate New York while he played pro pool. Tom Jennings, winner of back to back US Opens in 1976-77 was a full-time college professor. It can be done, but you'd have to play a light tournament schedule.

I strongly suggest that you keep your job unless you can easily afford to take a few years off. If you quit your job, unless you have very unique skills, it would be tough a couple of years down the road to get a job, as you'd be playing a weak hand as an unemployed individual.

Allow me to suggest an alternative approach. Why not invest money, rather than time, in your game? While keeping your job, why not seek out the best instructors money can buy and give them a shot at turning you into a first flight player.
 
Sweet Marissa said:
Seems the only way to make money in pool is being a female... better marketability means more sponsors. This is unfortunate because I'd like to see more of men's pool, but we see the same things in other sports, where men usually dominate in the media.

How many of them make any money? Like you can count them on your fingers.
 
you won't be great at anything by giving it a half-assed try. the pros spend THEIR LIFE perfecting their game.

your question is do you want to give up what you ahve for what you MIGHT get. and is it worth it?
 
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